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Originally Posted by Superbelt
We aren't making it an issue. It is an issue because Vanderbilt isn't able to draw a diverse student body because, surprise surprise, black kids don't want to live in Confederate Hall.
So Vanderbilt decides it's about time to change the name so they can both not seriously offend these kids and actually become an attractive place for them to go to school.
So they change the name and it's the whacko Confederacy clingers who make a court case out of it.
So I ask again, why do they care about the confederacy so much? Why do they cling to that name? They aren't the confederacy, they are the South, specifically whatever state they are from. The Confederacy was a group of fuckwads who wanted to keep whipping human beings because they weren't picking cotton fast enough.
(Civil War = War for states rights = war for a states right to decide if it's residents can own humans with a high melanin count)
Confederacy was evil, let it go. Same thing with the Stars and Bars. As a product of the Civil War, it deserves to only be flown in a museum, not a statehouse.
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i agree immensely.
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Wars are often about conscience and following that elusive voice. The young men who fought for the Confederacy had no reason to defend slavery. It did very little to make any of their lives better and most was given very little thought when they went into battle. Defending slavery seems a very stupid reason to fight and die. They fought and died because they had been treated for years like a colony of the federal government. They did not appreciate what they saw as "northern aggression" against their economic and political way of life.
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the south's main economic source was agriculture. the main source of their agriculture was slavery. as such, it at the very least gave them what they had, as it was one of the direct sources (if not the only source) for the south's economy to be what it was.
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Originally Posted by Konichiwaneko
I still stand by the point that most black people down here just don't care. I think most who are offended is only because of reasons they are half aware of, or because it's the "Cool thing to do".
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i think you are sadly mistaken., but i suppose it depends on the black people you know. of course i can't speak for my entire race, nor can i speak of all those of my race who are here in the south, but i can guarantee that plenty of people would be offended.
if i had been considering vanderbilt for medical school, that would be an issue for me, just as there are issues for me here at emory. but i digress.
getting back to the original point of the thread... if there's a contract in place that has no end, and the name has to stay, that's fine by me. just don't expect black students aspiring for a higher education to want to go to vanderbilt and stay in that dorm!
while the civil war is one thing (and i'm one of the school of thought that understands that while the issue of slavery wasn't the sole issue nor the main issue for going to war, it was a part of the complex puzzle), it is an entirely different thing to think about the south at that time (blacks enslaved), and the subsequent times when the confederate flag was flown in the south- the 50s and 60s (blacks disenfranchised on many different levels). to many black people, it doesn't matter what historians choose to say/write, it doesn't matter what descendants of the confederate soldiers choose to say/write.. simply, blacks were enslaved before the civil war and during the secession under the confederate regime/government, and blacks were oppressed/disenfranchised under the confederate flag during the 50s and 60s.
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Originally Posted by Superbelt
Hitler didn't just exterminate an entire race. He enslaved them and had them work till they died in his factories. Hmm, seems similar.
So do you think there should be a daughters of the Third Reich and would you go to a school that had Nazi Hall and live there?
UDC stands for the same thing. We can respect the German soldier and we can respect the Confederate soldier in the same way. That doesn't include glorifying their actions or their organization. That means no monuments to what they did, no buildings named after them, no continuance of the flags and insignias.
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wow, definitely hadn't thought of that! i see it the same way, but then again i'm not a descendant of either...