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I was taught to believe in certain things about my country that are within inches of becoming fallacies and pipedreams. Before these laws pass Bush has to make sure that he gets rid of those pesky Libs on the SCOTUS. Which it looks like he shall be able to do.

1) ALL MEN are created equally and deserve to be treated equally, it doesn't just say "citizens" are created equally, or just "Christians" or whatever. And before anyone refutes that by saying the founding fathers did not include slaves in there....Yes, they did, slaves were entitled to trials and we amended our Constitution so that we eliminated any question, thereby making sure that the Constitution guaranteed ALL MEN equal rights under the law.

2) EVERY PERSON is innocent until PROVEN guilty. ALL MEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO A FAIR TRIAL (EVEN SPIES (WALKER FAMILY), AND MILITARY).

This was the reason many MAFIA, such as Capone, Giancano, Luciano, Bonnano, Gambino, Lansky, Gotti, and so on, were able to stay out of prison as long as they did. We KNEW they were evil, we KNEW they killed, robbed, conspired, and took part of many crimes.... but we lacked evidence to prosecute. For Gotti, it took giving another evil man, Gravano, immunity. For Capone, it took a power struggle and MAFIA turning him over for income taxes. BUT with Lansky and Luciano we deported them because we never had "proof" to convict. ALL these men, no matter how evil, no matter how many they killed, extorted, maimed or bullied, WERE GIVEN THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ENJOYED BY ALL MEN.

3) The US MUST BE HELD TO THE HIGHEST STANDARDS IF WE ARE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW OTHER COUNTRIES THE VALUE OF FREEDOMS AND EQUALITY.

Sounds to me like the Bush administration got rid of any CIA that may oppose their plans and those plans are to tromple and destroy the 3 canons of the American justice that I was taught so firmly to believe in. And to say that a Bush stacked Supreme Court would disallow and call any law he passes denying those rights unConstitutional, is a pipedream and an excuse to let it happen, so that you don't have to worry about it.

McCarthy tried to do the same thing, and unless, you are Ann Coulteresque, you agree with the vast majority, that McCarthy was totally nuts, paranoid and had too much power.

It was very wrong in WACO and Ruby Ridge (even though we offered them fair trials and they refused to surrender), and most of you Conservatives slammed Clinton for what happened, yet you are now willing to say, that this is ok.

We are not a perfect country and we make mistakes, but what is being proposed is wrong, evil and the beginning of our ending. Look how some of you are so quick to defend and support these laws. WHY? Are you truly that scared of terrorism? If that is the case, is not holding people without a fair trial cause for anger, hatred and the making for more hostility. Would it not be better to show how our system works and perhaps, win back the respect of other countries that would be willing to help in this "War on Terrorism".

Because what we are going to do is promote more terrorism and bully enough countries into hating us and supporting the terrorist over us. (But then again some of you are so truly egotistical that you believe like Bush and his goons, that we do not need any other countries to help us.)

Do you notice that most of the countries that pledged to help us in Iraq are still trying to overcome the effects of the Iron Curtain and have few rights for their citzenry yet? And those countries that are more free, and preach equality are more vocal against our being there?

We are planning to make a very HUGE mistake. The people need to stand up before the old WW2 addage truly becomes a present day US addage: (amended to present day)

First, they came for the Muslems, saying they had no rights for they were terrorists. I was not Muslem and believed them so I said nothing.

Then, they came for Arabs, saying that they were all terrorists. I was not Arab, again I believed and I said nothing.

Then they came after Liberals and free thinkers, saying they belonged to militias and plotted against the State. I was not a Liberal and from all sources I listened to the State was right.

They came after my friends, who just passed petitions around to end what they believed to be wrongful detentions and said they were dissidents and part of the underground that wanted to destroy the State. I believed them because I was happy, the State was eliminating all threats agianst my liberties and lifestyle.

But then they came for me, saying I was on one of those lists and a friend of a dissident. I cried for help and my rights, but there was noone left to help me, for they believed as I once did, this would never happen in the USA.

(PS: FOR THOSE WHO SAY THAT THE CIA ONLY HANDLES EXTERNAL AFFAIRS AND THE FBI AND HOMELAND SECURITY HANDLE THE INTERNAL... THAT IS BECOMING A MYTH NOW. THEY ARE ALL COMBINING AND BECOMING THE "POLICE FORCE OF THE NATION".)

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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"