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Sbudda · 12-28-2004, 02:16 PM

Ok, I'll admit it. Smoking is a disgusting, filthy habit that smells awful if you aren't a smoker. It probably causes cancer and it probably kills children via even more horrific means such as molestation or neglect. Why not...

Again, my problem isn't with people who don't like smoke - for whatever stupid or rational reason you wish to promote. Go you. My problem is with people trying to use government force to solve their problems.

Do you go to a restaurant that has half walls between the smoking and non-smoking section? Don't call the cops, talk to the manager. All you have to do is ask that he stick a sheet of plexiglass between the sections. If he respects your business, then he will comply. If he doesn't respect your business, do you really want to go there again anyway?

It happens to smokers all of the time.

It's not like I'm smoking in these places to be an ass. If I'm smoking around a door and you don't like it - tell me. If you aren't an ass about it, I'll move. I probably just wasn't thinking when I set up camp there (or it was raining and I didn't want to get wet). If you want to go to a club that doesn't allow smoking, talk to the manager. If there are enough non-smokers to make the club money then they will do it.

But no. It's much too much work to talk to the person that offended you and come to an agreement. No, why do that when you can just call up your Congressman and blanketly label all smokers evil and be done with it. Why it's the freakin' American way!

Again, it isnt that I'm against private people asking me not to smoke in their establishment. My wife does it all of the time - and I even own half of the damn thing. My problem is with taking the decision out of the hands of private people. Moving it from a "hey buddy, would you mind smoking somewhere else?" to a "put the smoke out and keep your hand where I can see them" conversation.

Rationalize it all you want to. Smoking kills people, you don't like the smell, it gives you a headache, whatever. You have still forced someone to do what you wanted, instead of convincing them like a reasonable human being.

You are a tyrant.

12-28-2004, 02:16 PM	#122 (permalink)
Sbudda Tilted Location: Atl	Ok, I'll admit it. Smoking is a disgusting, filthy habit that smells awful if you aren't a smoker. It probably causes cancer and it probably kills children via even more horrific means such as molestation or neglect. Why not... Again, my problem isn't with people who don't like smoke - for whatever stupid or rational reason you wish to promote. Go you. My problem is with people trying to use government force to solve their problems. Do you go to a restaurant that has half walls between the smoking and non-smoking section? Don't call the cops, talk to the manager. All you have to do is ask that he stick a sheet of plexiglass between the sections. If he respects your business, then he will comply. If he doesn't respect your business, do you really want to go there again anyway? It happens to smokers all of the time. It's not like I'm smoking in these places to be an ass. If I'm smoking around a door and you don't like it - tell me. If you aren't an ass about it, I'll move. I probably just wasn't thinking when I set up camp there (or it was raining and I didn't want to get wet). If you want to go to a club that doesn't allow smoking, talk to the manager. If there are enough non-smokers to make the club money then they will do it. But no. It's much too much work to talk to the person that offended you and come to an agreement. No, why do that when you can just call up your Congressman and blanketly label all smokers evil and be done with it. Why it's the freakin' American way! Again, it isnt that I'm against private people asking me not to smoke in their establishment. My wife does it all of the time - and I even own half of the damn thing. My problem is with taking the decision out of the hands of private people. Moving it from a "hey buddy, would you mind smoking somewhere else?" to a "put the smoke out and keep your hand where I can see them" conversation. Rationalize it all you want to. Smoking kills people, you don't like the smell, it gives you a headache, whatever. You have still forced someone to do what you wanted, instead of convincing them like a reasonable human being. You are a tyrant.