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Originally Posted by asaris
Look, I don't mind some measures to reduce health risks from second-hand smoke -- well, that's not true, I do mind, but I'll put up with it. There's a coffee shop near me where the smoking section is entirely enclosed -- it makes you feel like you're on display, but hey, I get to smoke indoors, and you don't have to breathe my smoke. Exhaust fans, in sufficient quantity, can greatly reduce the amount of second-hand smoke in the air without annoying smokers at all. Now godxzilla posts the following list of effects of second-hand smoke - one question would be, what kind of exposure are we talking about? I think if you have kids, and smoke in your home, you're an asshole. But that's a different level of exposure entirely than one night at a bar. Moreover, take a look at the list: You'll note that all of these, except for the first one, all deal with either annoyances or children. Now, when was the last time you saw children in the neighborhood bar? So, for the most part, these alleged facts are not even relevant.
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I would say that the reason they are including bars is because its a public place and the ban affects public places. unfortunate as it may seem, its the truth. I somewhat agree with you as far as the bar goes, I (non smoker) should be able to choose smoking or non smoking bars. But the bar owners had that fight, not smokers vs non smokers.
as for the levels of exposure, does it matter? If its a known carcinogen, why expose your children to ANY? who determines how much is too much, and when is it too late? My wife is pregnant right now. we just spent our holidays bouncing from airport to airport going through the security lines. Now there is no correlation between birth defects and the metal detector. Many women go through them every day...but they ask the woman whether she wants to go through or not because it is HER decision how safe she wants the baby to be, not the TSA, and definately not you (smoker...not directed at anyone). If some level of exposure is bad no matter how extreme, than none is the best, right?