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Old 12-28-2004, 09:01 AM   #97 (permalink)
godxzilla
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Originally Posted by Master_Shake
No, it is a critique of children. In the same way that your ridiculous generalizations about smokers "killing you" is a critique of all smokers.
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Actually, life will kill you. What I think you mean is that smoking might shorten your life. Considering the years that will be lost (senile, impotent, lame) I don't think it's a bad trade off at all. And again, it's my choice to end my life early.
But its not your choice to end mine.

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And enough with the second hand smoke nonsense. Sitting next to a smoker will not kill you, let alone give you a terminal disease! You need to be exposed to smoke long term and in large quantities for it to affect you, and even then its iffy. http://www.junkscience.com/news/euwsjets.htm
This dated, biased, poorly written article with nearly no credibility to speak of, is obviously written by a pissed off smoker such as yourself. If you were to read some REAL facts, youd know that Tobacco kills more Americans than AIDS, drugs, homicides, fires, and auto accidents combined.

* Secondhand Smoke causes about 3,000 deaths each year from lung cancer in people who donīt smoke.
* Secondhand Smoke causes irritation of the eyes, nose, and throat.
* Secondhand Smoke can also irritate the lungs, leading to coughing, excessive phlegm and chest discomfort.
* Secondhand Smoke has been linked with the onset of chest pain may affect the heart, according to some studies.
* Children who breathe Secondhand Smoke are more likely to suffer from pneumonia, bronchitis, and other lung diseases.
* Children who breathe Secondhand Smoke have more inner infections
* Children who breathe Secondhand Smoke are more likely to develop asthma
* Children who have asthma and who breathe Secondhand Smoke have more asthma attacks
* There are an estimated 150,000 to 300,000 case every year of infections, such as bronchitis and pneumonia in infants and children under 18 months of age who breathe Secondhand Smoke. These result in 7,500 to 15,000 hospitalizations.

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Maybe the bar employees have a case, but if they don't want to work in a hazardous environment then maybe they should leave the bar and apply for a job at that nice coffee shop down the street. Why won't they? Because the coffee shop is for lamers who don't tip. Bar patrons are drunk happy people who tip well. It's a simple economics game. Do you want to outlaw all hazardous activities? Why not focus on outlawing war and religion, the biggest contributors to human death and misery of all time.
While I am all for outlawing war and religion, your argument has nothing to do with smoking. you said the bar patrons are drunk happy people who tip well. what does that have to do with smoking in bars? I go out occasionally also, and I tip well. I dont smoke. This argument is completely invalid.

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What non-smokers are really objecting to is the fact that smokers are enjoying themselves in a way the non-smokers can't participate in. They get jealous and angry and act out. Just accept that you aren't nearly as cool as smokers and be done with it.
friend, understand this. It is NOT about you. nobody cares what you do in your house, on your own time. non-smokers dont care if you smoke. They dont care what you do at all. This is about the fact that what you choose to do to yourself is not only affecting you. It affects all those around you, especially children. You can hate other people and children all you want but the fact remains that they are out there, and they take precedent.

Your argument borders the assumption that you think drinking and driving shouldnt be illegal, since you are only hurting yourself. Bottom line is, these things DO kill other people and something needs to be done about it. Thank you New York, California, and all the other places where it is banned in public. I am also in Columbus, OH happily waiting for our ban to come into effect.
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