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Sbudda · 12-27-2004, 11:00 AM

First off, wasn't the Davidian complex in Waco raided initially because of the arsenal that they had? I want to think that Ruby Ridge was also raided for the same thing, but for the life of me I can't recall. So while it may be illegal to arrest someone for having a ton of weapons, it is apparently enough to get a search and seizure warrant. I'm sure they'd love to stick an "intent to distribute" charge on you too.

As far as the 2nd amendment stuff goes, I think it's pretty easy to understand the framers intent. Their knowledge of European history was likely much better than ours. European history has been punctuated over and over by two events... invaders who want to pillage and burn your city, and tyrant rulers who want to pillage and burn your city. In that context it makes a ton of sense to make everyone armed; as they would all have to fight together in order to survive.

I consider the right to bear arms a bit like the right to own a horse. Once upon a time everyone knew how to ride and care for a horse, and it would be foolish to pass a law saying that a person couldn't have one. Now, it would be foolish to not allow a person to own a horse - even though I can guarantee that if I had a horse, it would be good as glue within a week. What, you have to feed the stupid thing?

I think we can all agree that a person who grew up around horses, knows how to train and care for them, should have access to the best horses he can get. Same with guns. It used to be that everyone was at least partly trained on their use. Now, with the exception of families that use them regularly, no one knows anything about them. As a person who was raised in such a family, telling me that I couldn't have one is akin to telling a rancher that he can't have a horse.

So the answer is simple! Have horseback riding classes in all schools, and require that people who purchase a gun pass a test that they know how to hit a target, how to clean a gun, and know the rules of engagement that apply to their locality. Since militias where just people living together; who protected each other and trained together; I think such a common sense solution would fit the spirit of the law quite nicely.

Too bad common sense is neither common, or available in Washington.

12-27-2004, 11:00 AM	#22 (permalink)
Sbudda Tilted Location: Atl	First off, wasn't the Davidian complex in Waco raided initially because of the arsenal that they had? I want to think that Ruby Ridge was also raided for the same thing, but for the life of me I can't recall. So while it may be illegal to arrest someone for having a ton of weapons, it is apparently enough to get a search and seizure warrant. I'm sure they'd love to stick an "intent to distribute" charge on you too. As far as the 2nd amendment stuff goes, I think it's pretty easy to understand the framers intent. Their knowledge of European history was likely much better than ours. European history has been punctuated over and over by two events... invaders who want to pillage and burn your city, and tyrant rulers who want to pillage and burn your city. In that context it makes a ton of sense to make everyone armed; as they would all have to fight together in order to survive. I consider the right to bear arms a bit like the right to own a horse. Once upon a time everyone knew how to ride and care for a horse, and it would be foolish to pass a law saying that a person couldn't have one. Now, it would be foolish to not allow a person to own a horse - even though I can guarantee that if I had a horse, it would be good as glue within a week. What, you have to feed the stupid thing? I think we can all agree that a person who grew up around horses, knows how to train and care for them, should have access to the best horses he can get. Same with guns. It used to be that everyone was at least partly trained on their use. Now, with the exception of families that use them regularly, no one knows anything about them. As a person who was raised in such a family, telling me that I couldn't have one is akin to telling a rancher that he can't have a horse. So the answer is simple! Have horseback riding classes in all schools, and require that people who purchase a gun pass a test that they know how to hit a target, how to clean a gun, and know the rules of engagement that apply to their locality. Since militias where just people living together; who protected each other and trained together; I think such a common sense solution would fit the spirit of the law quite nicely. Too bad common sense is neither common, or available in Washington.