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pan6467 · 12-25-2004, 03:42 PM

There's no more sense in debating you have your views, I have mine.

I started all this out by saying that we needed to find middle ground. Unfortunately you don't have any ideas to, nor want to find middle ground. You are set in your beliefs and compromise is out of your realm of thought.

For me, I choose to believe that industry and bringing back the manufacturing sector would increase the tax base, lower the rich's tax burden so that areas may flourish again.

You say educate, but right now schools are going bankrupt because the tax base isn't there to support them. You believe we can have a society of white collar workers and all else would be lazy, non learners. I choose to believe that not everyone is college material but that they can still contribute and with decent jobs and pay build up the confidence needed to move forward.

You believe that China is losing the economic war, I choose to believe that they are winning. I base my views on the fact that they subsidize their industries to put ours out of business, which you believe to be ok. I see the Chinese buying our debt up as fast as we make it. You believe there are no ramifications to that.

You believe it is ok for the Chinese and every other country to tarriff us and tax our products into non competition, yet if we do it, we're being protectionist, social welfare-istic and doing so illegally.

You are quick to criticize and totally rip apart an idea, yet you provide none.

You would rather see our country stay divided and watch the tax burden grow heavier for the rich and the gap widen between classes, while my plan has flaws, it is at least a start in the right direction.

You choose to talk nuclear war, I never said we faced world wars, but we face skirmishes like Iraq, and as Iraq is showing our troops are grossly ill supplied. one reason for this is we no longer produce the equipment they need. That is suicide to the defense of our nation.

Put whatever spin you like on your views to me you offer no solutions but to make matters worse. Just as my views seem illogical to you.

I believe the soviets lost because they weren't innovative, they truly had no industry, running up huge trade deficits, there was huge gaps between 2 classes, their government ran up massive deficits and they refused to build up a middle class.

We are innovative, we just don't have the industry. We are allowing ourselves to become a 2 class society and we are squeezing the middle class out, in taxes, education (by underfunding public education, because we don't have the money because there no longer exists a tax base), our deficits are running way way too high and other countries are more than eager to take over what you deem as menial labor manufacturing. Why do you suppose they are so eager to take take over manufacturing?

It may be "warm fuzzy thinking" but I would far rather take manufacturing jobs and the production of goods over what is happening now.

No other "civilized" country in this world comes near our debt, and the reason is no other country depends so heavily on other countries for their goods. Our standard of living maybe high, but so is the debt ratio and as we become dependant on others, they shall come collecting the debts. What do we do then?

12-25-2004, 03:42 PM	#40 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	There's no more sense in debating you have your views, I have mine. I started all this out by saying that we needed to find middle ground. Unfortunately you don't have any ideas to, nor want to find middle ground. You are set in your beliefs and compromise is out of your realm of thought. For me, I choose to believe that industry and bringing back the manufacturing sector would increase the tax base, lower the rich's tax burden so that areas may flourish again. You say educate, but right now schools are going bankrupt because the tax base isn't there to support them. You believe we can have a society of white collar workers and all else would be lazy, non learners. I choose to believe that not everyone is college material but that they can still contribute and with decent jobs and pay build up the confidence needed to move forward. You believe that China is losing the economic war, I choose to believe that they are winning. I base my views on the fact that they subsidize their industries to put ours out of business, which you believe to be ok. I see the Chinese buying our debt up as fast as we make it. You believe there are no ramifications to that. You believe it is ok for the Chinese and every other country to tarriff us and tax our products into non competition, yet if we do it, we're being protectionist, social welfare-istic and doing so illegally. You are quick to criticize and totally rip apart an idea, yet you provide none. You would rather see our country stay divided and watch the tax burden grow heavier for the rich and the gap widen between classes, while my plan has flaws, it is at least a start in the right direction. You choose to talk nuclear war, I never said we faced world wars, but we face skirmishes like Iraq, and as Iraq is showing our troops are grossly ill supplied. one reason for this is we no longer produce the equipment they need. That is suicide to the defense of our nation. Put whatever spin you like on your views to me you offer no solutions but to make matters worse. Just as my views seem illogical to you. I believe the soviets lost because they weren't innovative, they truly had no industry, running up huge trade deficits, there was huge gaps between 2 classes, their government ran up massive deficits and they refused to build up a middle class. We are innovative, we just don't have the industry. We are allowing ourselves to become a 2 class society and we are squeezing the middle class out, in taxes, education (by underfunding public education, because we don't have the money because there no longer exists a tax base), our deficits are running way way too high and other countries are more than eager to take over what you deem as menial labor manufacturing. Why do you suppose they are so eager to take take over manufacturing? It may be "warm fuzzy thinking" but I would far rather take manufacturing jobs and the production of goods over what is happening now. No other "civilized" country in this world comes near our debt, and the reason is no other country depends so heavily on other countries for their goods. Our standard of living maybe high, but so is the debt ratio and as we become dependant on others, they shall come collecting the debts. What do we do then? __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"