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Originally Posted by alansmithee
Honestly, my neo-con handbook didn't mention facism, can you tell me where you found this fact?
More on topic, Mr Mephisto I think was close to dead on about the evolution of what is "conservative". And many of the points you made are still applicable, especially the stress on rule of law and tradition. I agree that this administration is alot more proactive in it's defense policy, but I hardly see it at odds that much if they feel the climate is no longer one where pure isolationism is feasable. And having taken (and taking) many poly sci classes, there is very few solid definitions of conservative, or liberal for that matter. They mainly are used to apply to the differing sides of the polital spectrum. And also as pointed out above the defintion is totally different in other countries.
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Well I admit to trying to be whimsicle in my comparing neo-conservatism to facism, but it's hard to ignore the convergance taking place between these two formarly-seperate political term's meanings.
Isolationism is realtive. Obsiously what was isolation 50 years ago is not possible today. Just like the meaning of the word 'conservative', isolationism has to evolve with the changes in the worlds political and economic systems and rules. The libertarian movemnt, while obviously not as large as either of the other parties, still follows the "maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state" ideal. In the role of state being controlled better, the effect of our government on foreign affairs lessens. The way they (and I) see it is that our government is our government. The U.S. government has enough responsibilities here on American soil to deal with (basically, it's actually infinately more complicated, but I want to make it short and sweet for it's use in this disscussion). We don't need to be so directly involved with, let's say, Isreal (we give them $500b a year
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Originally Posted by Arroe
willravel, you seem to think that real conservatives who voted for Bush did so mistakingly thinking that Bush is a true conservative. What about the notion that Bush is more conservative or closer to conservative ideals than his opponent, John Kerry? Sure, G.W.B. is not 100% conservative, but people lie at different spots on the political spectrum.
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What I was saying is that conservatives under the older meaning of the word voted for Bush, who qualifies under the new meaning of the word. John Kerry is too similar to JWBush to call him anything different. I'd say John Kerry is the same type of conservative as GWBush.
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Originally Posted by mike059
It is interesting that neo-cons are compared to facists, where I work there is a guy that is a self labeled neo-con and he refers to all democrats as demi-commies, (with a certain amount of glee, I might add) however he seems to take great offense when I refer to him as a repi-facist... I figured that seeing though facists are the supposed mortal enemy of communists, that this remark would be fair, but, he fails to see the humor...
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Sounds like he needs to read up on fascism.
I'll admit he'd probably get a laugh out of me calling democrats fascists and republicans anything but. Both parties share at least SOME traits with facism.