Um , these guys aren't even debating the same thing we are (from your link)
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Next, as we've discussed before, this isn't a debate about 'reform', 'privatization' or 'saving' Social Security. It's about phasing out the Social Security program, or not.
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I think Democrats should consider pulling together the major funders of the party, the official committees, the major organizations, basically the entire infrastructure of the Democratic party and making clear to individual members that if they sign on to the president's plan to phase out Social Security, those various institutions and individuals won't fund their campaigns. Not in 2006, not ever.
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Much of what we'll be focusing on here is strategy: how to defeat the president's plan, which will rip-off men and women across the country who, in President Clinton's much mocked but still apt phrase, "work hard and play by the rules."
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Rhetoric aside, the numbers don't lie. Where this guy is pulling his info from, I don't know, but SS isn't really the point of his argument. He states it very clearly, in the beginning, when he is talking about the problems SS faces while saying there isn't a problem.
How about posting some info that isn't pandering and full of party politics?
This is actually a serious issue and desperately needs to be discussed. Your political affiliation must be able to be pushed to the side (unlike the links posted) in order to get anywhere with it.
Republicans and Democrats can butt heads and try to fight each other, but to what end? This issue affects everybody, regardless of what letter comes after your name.
If we look at it like your link suggests, we are merely discussing power, and completely ignoring the issue at hand.
Way, way, way too many people, with a whole lot more relevant education than these guys, thinks there is a problem with SS--and you can pull from either party to get these opinions.