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Originally Posted by Aborted
Sorry for being a dirty double poster, but:
No offense, but I'd take the SAS over the Seals any day.  |
Another debate entirely, one of which I am nowhere near qualified to enter. However, I have nothing respect for any person in uniform, regardless of the patch. However, as you know, that wasn't my point.
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I don't think there is one among us who doesn't appreciate and isn't forever indebted to those Americans who gave their lives to preserve the western way of life or free oppressed peoples the world over, but it would be wrong to dismiss the capability of other countries to get their own "dirty work" done. I also don't think the ICC would, or indeed could, cripple the United States ability to respond effectively when such "dirty work" needs to be done, as it's simply not in the world's best interests. Perhaps a little more credit needs to go to those living outside your own borders, some of us have brains you know.  |
I don't think you understood my point.
I didn't say it would cripple, but it might cause hesitation. I really don't think that is a stretch to conclude. And, depending on the situation, I don't think anybody wants the US to hesitate at the wrong time.
In terms of the dirty work, there are situations you are aware of and situations that you aren't (not going back 50+ years) where the dirty work needed to be done and we were the only ones to do it. Most countries have a pretty capable armed forces, but sometimes you need the extra umph that we provide.
Here's another analogy: I let my dog run around in my yard and one of the reasons for this is the protection. Sure he does things that upset me, but I would never consider leashing him because that would limit his ability to protect me and my family. I don't set requirements for how he protects us, merely that he does. If a bad guy escapes the police (i.e. the "soldiers") and makes his way to my house, I want my dog (i.e. the "elite") to take him out. I don't care how he does it, only that he does. And for that, I will be forever in his debt. Now, he is my dog, my responsibility. It is not up to my neighbor to discipline him, it is mine.
Do you see where I am going with this?
Also, I don't think there is a good argument making the case that the ICC could do a better job than we do taking care of our own. Both would be imperfect, why would the ICC be better?
Anyway, in all actuality, it is moot as we will not join the ICC. It just ain't gonna happen. Everybody can debate about it, whine about it, point out the reasons why we should, etc., but the end result will be the same regardless. You guys play around with the ICC all you want, and when you need us, we will come a runnin'.
