asaris

First of all, who says we can't understand the supernatural? I don't believe that for one minute, and I don't really think that there's any reason to hold that. Just because something is different from us doesn't mean we can't understand it. But of course, your main concern is with God, and traditionally we say he's beyond our comprehension. But we don't mean you can't understand anything about God, we only mean you can't understand everything about God. But that's not enough to run your argument.

Second, Livia argues: If we parse this, her argument seems to be that only things provable through logic should be believed in (otherwise they're wishful thinking). But, by Godel's Incompleteness Theorem, we can't prove anything. (Since we can't prove logic, and if we can't prove logic, we can't really prove anything else.) So we should believe anything. But this is clearly absurd -- it's obvious that I'm, for example, watching TV and typing a TFP post. So it must be the case that you can believe things you can't prove with logic.

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