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Old 12-12-2004, 07:59 PM   #76 (permalink)
mo42
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Originally Posted by Fibrosa
Additionally by your lack of a mechanism (and don't feel bad, no IDers have any) you implicitedly admit that evolution is more parsimonious then ID. Additionally the facade of ID being actual science is exposed as ID doesn't explain anything, it relies completely and utterly on an argument from ignorance-we don't (currently) know how this system was designed and therefore 'poof' it's magic brought to us via the common designer.
There is a simple mechanism, and can be provided by an intelligent force with only moderate power. What needs to be provided is a small amount of kinetic force, guiding specific molecules together. Moving molecules together in just the right fashion can lead to the beginnings of life, and also guide mutations, if the being desired it.

Unlikely, you say? Yes, I'll admit that. But the likelihood of things like ribose, any protein with any use, or deoxyribose looks even less likely to me. Even over the course of 3 billion years.

First you need an adequate supply of amino acids (and they are not very plentiful on our planet outside of current life forms; you'd be working with exceedingly low percentages), and then you'd need those amino acids to spontaneously join together in a chain (not particularly likely; water will degrade cleave a protein into its individual components over a relatively short amount of time) and this chain would have to fold into an enzyme capable of catalyzing ribose production. You would need other enzymes to continue the ribose creation process, using the products of the original enzyme complex. In order to get a protein with this function, a very specific protein would have to be formed from the amino acids.

Modern organisms require at least 8 enzymes for ribose production (just looked that one up again) from products that might exist in small quantities in the primoridal soup. These enzymes average to be about 300 amino acids in length. Even assuming there was somehow a better enzyme that existed in the soup that was only 50 amino acids long, the odds of that 50 amino acid chain being created is one in 20^50, which comes out to 11 with 64 zeroes after it. A billion has 9 zeroes after it. Odds are freaking low for the "random amino acids came together to make good proteins which made components for RNA and then RNA came together in useful chains that were capable of catalyzing replication which eventually graduated into DNA" theory.
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