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stbeston · 12-11-2004, 02:13 AM

i think a misogynist film is one were all information given depicts women as lesser than, or weak and stupid, as you put it.
curiously, after watching faces, i had the dvd with extra segments, including a french tv show on cassavetes, and i couldn't stand the guy. or rather, he seemed so not the director of faces. you're right, couldn't really care less if he was a misogynist, racist, necrophiliac, etc. i don't see the films as being so, either.
the thing about his movies is that he seems to reduce everybody in them to their most core passion of being, if you will, at one point or another. i think that when he does this, there is a distinction between man and woman, of course. as there should be. i just caught jean luc godards newest film, notre musique, and in one scene he is giving a lecture on film. he shows the standard cinematic counter-shot, the contrasting shots of two people talking, in this case, a man and a woman. i forgot the film and director from which the shots are from, but they look similar and godard says something to the effect, "look, here is a counter shot. they both are shot the exact same because the director doesn't know the difference between a man and a woman."
anyway, in both films i saw, the lead woman were slapped, were either left or put into an institution, were fought over like meat, etc. but really, we are dealing with the insecurities of the men in these situations, so only if you extrapolate what the characters enact to the director and to the theme of the film, which you shouldn't be able to in these cases, it's hard to identify films as misogynist.
the only blatantly misogynist film i can think of is purple rain.. ridiculous, really. i think in the first ten minutes, morris day has his "assistant" throw a girl in a trash can, prince makes a girl take off her clothes and jump in a river then drives off in his bike, and later he confronts her on the streets and tears off her jacket left standing there in her undies.
basically this conversation was started as a cute response to the le tigre song, what's your take on cassavetes, and as bait for other cassavetes fans to show themselves.
alright, read next post for the blade 3 reviews.

12-11-2004, 02:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
stbeston Upright Location: ny,ny	i think a misogynist film is one were all information given depicts women as lesser than, or weak and stupid, as you put it. curiously, after watching faces, i had the dvd with extra segments, including a french tv show on cassavetes, and i couldn't stand the guy. or rather, he seemed so not the director of faces. you're right, couldn't really care less if he was a misogynist, racist, necrophiliac, etc. i don't see the films as being so, either. the thing about his movies is that he seems to reduce everybody in them to their most core passion of being, if you will, at one point or another. i think that when he does this, there is a distinction between man and woman, of course. as there should be. i just caught jean luc godards newest film, notre musique, and in one scene he is giving a lecture on film. he shows the standard cinematic counter-shot, the contrasting shots of two people talking, in this case, a man and a woman. i forgot the film and director from which the shots are from, but they look similar and godard says something to the effect, "look, here is a counter shot. they both are shot the exact same because the director doesn't know the difference between a man and a woman." anyway, in both films i saw, the lead woman were slapped, were either left or put into an institution, were fought over like meat, etc. but really, we are dealing with the insecurities of the men in these situations, so only if you extrapolate what the characters enact to the director and to the theme of the film, which you shouldn't be able to in these cases, it's hard to identify films as misogynist. the only blatantly misogynist film i can think of is purple rain.. ridiculous, really. i think in the first ten minutes, morris day has his "assistant" throw a girl in a trash can, prince makes a girl take off her clothes and jump in a river then drives off in his bike, and later he confronts her on the streets and tears off her jacket left standing there in her undies. basically this conversation was started as a cute response to the le tigre song, what's your take on cassavetes, and as bait for other cassavetes fans to show themselves. alright, read next post for the blade 3 reviews.