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Originally Posted by wilbjammin
You're being rather vague. I understand that you feel something because of these beliefs that you've developed, but that's about it.
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It's a translation in to secular, and it doesn't always come through the best. I am trying, and i'll to be a little more specific as i discuss your comments on language.
[quoteI'm referring to some of the extra stuff where they explain what happened after the Jesus showed up missing. As for Jesus being gone from the tomb, that's WIDE OPEN for interpretation.[/quote]
Okay...the additions to Mark are late. but the appearances in Matt and Luke are orgininal to the texts, and show up only a little bit later. i don't think the fundamental arguement is changed. And yes, it is open to interpretation.
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Well, something was written down, something happened. I don't know how you can judge just what that is by the effects it had on people. My philosophical stance on historical events is that the meaning of historical events <i>changes</i> over time, and I think the death of Jesus is a good example of this. I don't think we have any access to what it really was like when Jesus died.
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I think we can get a reasonable idea of some of the reactions amongst his followers. There seems to be broad agreement that in some way, Jesus is ressurected, and that they begin making this teaching. It's suggestive, not authoritative.
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People in this day in age are widely misinformed and highly affected by that misinformation, that is <i>no proof</i> that their reactions are based something that actually happened (i.e. Iraq being behind 9/11). Reactions are reactions, they don't illustrate fact.
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Agreed. Which is why i'm not a big "Elvis Lives" fan. there has to be something more to the story than just a claim. i talk about what that might be in my previous posts.
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My fundamental argument with most religion is that many of the answers to questions about existence are to questions that cannot be answered. Additionally, I think those answers still are mired in absurdity that is much more convoluted than accepting that there are many things that we just cannot know fundamentally.
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Agree, save one point. It is useless to pick an answer and stick with it unthinkingly. It is useful to chose a vocabulary and try to start talking and thinking about it. A faith that has lost curiousity, doubt, and wonder is a dead idol and rote obedience.
I'll get to the rest of the post when i return. There's some good stuff there, and i'd like a chance to think it through.