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Old 12-09-2004, 11:49 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Those that have made up their minds will not be swayed, nor is that my intent.

But for those to whom it matters, the Humvee was never intended to go into combat, so it is performing exactly as designed.
The only way I can see this as a true statement is with a very narrow definition of "combat." Supply trucks are not offensive weapons, but they are designed to enter a combat zone. Why don't our soldiers just use Dodge mini-vans if there is really no difference?
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Soldiers cheering when someone gets to air a beef does not a mass rebellion make.
No, not mass rebellion but it is indicative of mass unrest.
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Since Humvee's are being called into such service, without knowing exactly how fast these vehicles are being armored, how many need to be armored, the logistics, etc, it is premature to make the conclusions some are making.
Okay if it must be quantified then it's your responsibility to tell us what the guidelines are. How long does it have to take before we give creedence to the conspiracy theory? When will we be sure that our government has blown it's budgetary wad on inapplicable weapons like the V-22 Osprey at the expense of providing basic protection for the troops on the ground?
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The snafu's of WW2 and the heroic effort of those soldiers doesn't logically lead to any conclusion that these troops are somehow 'less committed'. From all accounts I've read, the greater majority of these soldiers are as committed to this war as their forefathers were to their war and perhaps even more, considering that this is a conscript army and that one was not.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this was a typo. Our president had this mix up too. "We will not have an all-volunteer army in Iraq....[audience heckling] We will have an all-volunteer army!" -GWBush.
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The survivability of our troops is the highest is has ever been and the speed at which this army advanced is the fastest perhaps in history. Yet some people say that this war is akin to Viet Nam.
Is the survivability of our troops the only basis on which we can draw historical corollaries?
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Again, I don't expect to change any minds, but those who wish, can ponder these points.
Thanks for the pondering points.

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