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Sun Tzu · 05-13-2003, 12:50 PM

crumbbum I'll address everything you've stated here, but before this conversation continues I want you to know I've been to Israel many times. I've traveled to many parts of the country, and (with the help of a particular archeologist on a couple of trips) have seen things alot haven't. (I consider myself lucky) Perhaps if there is a proper area (I don’t think the exhibition area is it) I'll post some pics that I found of particular interest ruins of Gomorrah, Solomon’s Post (supposed Red Sea parting area, etc) Of course I haven’t been in 5 years for obvious reasons. I state this to lend to me comprehending more than you think.

I've been studying this for quite some time; in fact my views were opposite what they are now 15 years ago. When I say I understand both sides; I’m attempting to be polite.

This doesn’t mean I’m for any loss of life, there’s nothing more than I dream of than a world where everyone lives in peace. I can tell you have a lot of emotion in this area, as well do I. What I view as the unfolding reality over there has taken along time and personal experience to arrive to. Even if I disagree, I’ll respect what you say; but I have to state I usually hang out of these discussions because I FULLY comprehend what’s going on over there.
All I can do is politely as possible; disagree with some of what you said. But I’ll only attempt to keep my responses brief with appropriate links (links are understandably what they are—but they’re the best we have for this type of conversation) I’ve given the 5 page responses and found that no matter what I or anyone shows; people will see what they choose to see. That’s not right or wrong. It’s not good news or bad news its just the news, its always been that way.

For starters if you would please look at this map--I’m not much for the MSNBC, but this visual representation is the quickest visual guide I could find to recent historical demographics. Alongside the main article you'll see a conflict guide of Israelis and Palestinians click on a history of Jewish Settlement.

I wanted you to see that before I responded to your position. What’s your take on that?

http://www.msnbc.com/news/801833.asp

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Sun Tzu Conspiracy Realist Location: The Event Horizon	crumbbum I'll address everything you've stated here, but before this conversation continues I want you to know I've been to Israel many times. I've traveled to many parts of the country, and (with the help of a particular archeologist on a couple of trips) have seen things alot haven't. (I consider myself lucky) Perhaps if there is a proper area (I don’t think the exhibition area is it) I'll post some pics that I found of particular interest ruins of Gomorrah, Solomon’s Post (supposed Red Sea parting area, etc) Of course I haven’t been in 5 years for obvious reasons. I state this to lend to me comprehending more than you think. I've been studying this for quite some time; in fact my views were opposite what they are now 15 years ago. When I say I understand both sides; I’m attempting to be polite. This doesn’t mean I’m for any loss of life, there’s nothing more than I dream of than a world where everyone lives in peace. I can tell you have a lot of emotion in this area, as well do I. What I view as the unfolding reality over there has taken along time and personal experience to arrive to. Even if I disagree, I’ll respect what you say; but I have to state I usually hang out of these discussions because I FULLY comprehend what’s going on over there. All I can do is politely as possible; disagree with some of what you said. But I’ll only attempt to keep my responses brief with appropriate links (links are understandably what they are—but they’re the best we have for this type of conversation) I’ve given the 5 page responses and found that no matter what I or anyone shows; people will see what they choose to see. That’s not right or wrong. It’s not good news or bad news its just the news, its always been that way. For starters if you would please look at this map--I’m not much for the MSNBC, but this visual representation is the quickest visual guide I could find to recent historical demographics. Alongside the main article you'll see a conflict guide of Israelis and Palestinians click on a history of Jewish Settlement. I wanted you to see that before I responded to your position. What’s your take on that? http://www.msnbc.com/news/801833.asp __________________ *To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit.- Stephen Hawking* Last edited by Sun Tzu; 05-13-2003 at 01:09 PM..