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Originally Posted by Dragonlich
*sigh*...
They were in enemy/unfriendly territory, with potentially dangerous prisoners just waiting for an oppertunity to escape, and you expect them to sit on the edge of a truck???
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I could argue that hogtied and hooded detainees, while they may be waiting to escape, aren't likely to be going anywhere at all.
Or I could just point out that the other soldiers appear to be sitting on the edge of the truck just fine.
Take your pick. In either case, the smiling soldiers should probably be paying attention to their surroundings instead of snapping momentos if the environment is as dangerous as you want it to be to support the conclusion you reached without any evidence.
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It's rather obvious to me that some people here, you included, *want* this to be abuse. I bet that if the navy rules it's not abuse after all, these people will be the first to claim it's a cover-up.
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Yeah, dragonlich, I "want" my country's soldiers to abuse their detainees. It gives me great pleasure.
How many troops does your country have over there again? The way you have defended my nation's troops since the beginning of our actions in Afghanistan and all throughout Iraq leads me to believe you are living vicariously through us. Get your own war and atrocities!
Better yet, why not just leave your armchair psychoanalysis of my motive for posting in this thread where it belongs...
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If I re-read your posted quote, the main problem is that there were pictures at all, which is illegal. There isn't anyone that says these people were abused at all; the most you'll hear is that it raises questions about the treatment; this might be aimed at the taking of photographs, not the so-called "abuse".
Now, IF there was indeed abuse, the guilty should be, and will be punished. But if the abuse consists of people sitting on prisoners and scaring or humiliating them, I don't think it's really that bad. Again, I'd like to draw your attention to the treatment of innocent civilians by some of the insurgents. In fact, while we're at it, I suggest you investigate the abuse of normal prisoners all over the middle-east, something nobody but human rights groups seems to care about.
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You should re-read my post then.
The picture taking was illegal--no one is disputing that. Hardly presents a need for a criminal investigation into the actions of the soldiers since the pictures themselves offer the only necessary evidence of that crime.
Feel free to draw my attention all over the place. In this thread, however, I was answering seaver's question as to what I found to be questionable treatment of prisoners before you and mojo got all bunched up and started haggling all over my posts.
The actions of the military personnel are under investigation. Whether you think it's "bad" or not is frankly immaterial. Their actions were illegal on the face of it, and inappropriate conduct. I happen to think that mistreatment of prisoners and violations of the Geneva convention are "bad." But I never intended to convince you to change your mind. I don't really care what you think about it--like I said, I was answering Seaver's question.