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Mojo_PeiPei · 12-06-2004, 02:49 PM

I feel threatened when you have people in the ACLU targetting buildings that are decades old because they have a crosses engraved in the stone work. When the ACLU targets city crests because they have a cross on them. Yes lets physical remove a cross from the city symbol in California, not like the state has strong historical ties to Christian missionaries. I wonder how long until Los Angeles has to change it's name.

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by Karla Dial

ACLU Targets Several Southern California Crosses For Removal

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) launched a campaign this spring to remove all visible crosses from city and county seals in Southern California—and as this issue of Citizen went to press, appeared to be on the verge of getting its way.

On May 5, the city of Redlands—where the 40-year-old logo containing a cross is found on government buildings, official stationery and police uniforms—surrendered when the local ACLU chapter threatened to sue. City officials covered the crosses on buildings with blue tape and reprinted all business cards without it.

ACLU attorney Ben Wizner told The Associated Press that two people had complained about the cross; city attorney Dan McHugh said the town capitulated because of a budget crisis.

"It could run up to $50,000 to $60,000 [in legal costs to fight it]… so the city council made the decision that the manager ought to continue removing the cross," he said. "It was just not worth the money or the effort."

The ACLU then threatened Los Angeles County, where a Latin cross appears on the seal, along with a pagan goddess named Pomona and other symbols representing the city's agricultural, fishing and entertainment industries. The group sent a three-page letter to the county board of supervisors dated May 19 demanding that only the cross be removed from the 57-year-old seal "in a reasonable time frame" and mandating a response within 14 days.

ACLU Executive Director Rita Ripston cited case law from around the country in which similar seals had been reconfigured—and warned that "any attempt to defend the cross as solely a historic symbol, rather than a sectarian religious symbol, will prove even less successful than it has in previous cases."

County Supervisor Mike Anton-ovich fired off a terse six-paragraph response two days later, reminding Ripston of the county's religious roots—founded in the 1700s with the San Gabriel Mission—and that its oldest city, Los Angeles, has street names taken straight from the Bible. The cross merely reflects that history.
"Rewriting our historical roots," he concluded, "is, to use an analogy, like eating a sandwich wrapped in a paper bag—it loses its taste."

But Antonovich and Supervisor Don Knabe were the only two board members standing firm to defend the seal in early June: They lost a 3-2 vote June 7, after the ACLU and the county struck a deal to replace the cross in the seal with pictures of Spanish missions and native people.

More than 2,000 people of all faiths attended the board meeting—waving signs that said things like "Jews for the L.A. County Seal" and "Stop the ACLU Nazis." Supervisor Yvonne Brathwaite Burke declared the meeting "a religious frenzy."

Five different legal groups, including the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) and the Thomas More Law Center, have offered to help the county fight the ACLU free of charge. The ADF also hopes to influence the final outcome in Redlands.

"It's my understanding that the [Redlands] city council does not want to cave in to the pressure of the ACLU," ADF attorney Robert Tyler said. "However, they are concerned that they can't afford to defend this case. That's where we come in."

The Thomas More Law Center filed a separate lawsuit June 4 on behalf of an L.A. County employee, charging that removing the cross sends an unconstitutional message of hostility toward Christianity.

http://www.family.org/cforum/citizenmag/departments/a0033069.cfm

I feel threatened when in Public schools it's ok to put up the crescent star for ramadan, the menorah for Hannakuh, but it's somehow offensive to put up a manger scene, if not for the very fact that it solely targets Christianity. This was the case in New York last year, I doubt it has changed.

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JUDICIAL JIHAD
Judge rules Islamic education
OK in California classrooms
Dismisses suit opposing requirement students recite Quran, pray to Allah
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Requiring seventh-grade students to pretend they're Muslims, wear Islamic garb, memorize verses from the Quran, pray to Allah and even to play "jihad games" in California public schools has been legally upheld by a federal judge, who has dismissed a highly publicized lawsuit brought by several Christian students and their parents.

As WND reported in July of last year, the suit was filed by the Thomas More Law Center against the Byron Union School District and various school officials to stop the use of the "Islam simulation" materials and methods used in the Excelsior Elementary School in Byron, Calif.

In her 22-page ruling announced Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Phyllis Hamilton said Excelsior is not indoctrinating students about Islam when it requires them to adopt Muslim names and pray to Allah as part of a history and geography class, but rather is just teaching them about the Muslim religion.

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The World History and Geography class in question is part of a curriculum being taught to seventh-graders all over the state, and is included in the state's curriculum standards required by the state board of education. Although the standards outline what subjects should be taught and will be included in state assessment tests, they don't mandate how they're to be taught.

In the three-week course, Excelsior teacher Brooke Carlin had students assume Islamic names, recite prayers in class, memorize and recite verses from the Quran, and had them simulate Ramadan fasting by going without something for a day. The final test required students to critique Muslim culture.
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=36118

God forbid we recite the Pledge which mentions God.

Christianity is getting targetted because it's the majority. The left in this country is doing everything to discredit it and remove it from public, where Christianity has been for centuries without problem.