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Willravel · 12-05-2004, 10:11 AM

Let's say for the sake of argument Ustwo is right. Admittedly the picture of the deformed baby did not add to the discussion at all. We all know what birth defects are. As soon as we read the word, we get plenty unpleasent pictures in our minds. It is possible that DU is not responsible for the deaths and cancer in Iraq.

Let's say for the sake of argument that Superbelt is right. Ustwo quoted a "fact sheet" from the state department. The studies mentioned are ALL done by the government and military. NOT ONE was done by an independant organization (I took the liberty of calling the state department, and after 4 hours of waiting, I finally got a answer to one question). This is the same state department that told us about the dramatic events surrounding Jessica Lynch. I'm sorry, but I have a lot of trouble simply trusting them to this extent over something this serious. I would much rather see an indepentdant medical group do a study and come to the same conclusions as the state department/military.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-156685c.html
Staff Sgt. Ray Ramos

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/loca...p-156686c.html
Staff Sgt. Ray Ramos

http://www.sundayherald.com/40306
The MoD (the UK's Ministry of Defence) passed on a card to troops on active service in Iraq: “You have been deployed to a theatre where depleted uranium (DU) munitions have been used. DU is a weakly radioactive heavy metal which has the potential to cause ill-health. You may have been exposed to dust containing DU during your deployment.

“You are eligible for a urine test to measure uranium. If you wish to know more about having this test, you should consult your unit medical officer on return to your home base. Your medical officer can provide information about the health effects of DU.”

http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2002training/wakayama2.pdf
Among its warnings, the report recognizes that it is not safe to leave shell fragments in the body as per US military policy; warns that uranium would be solubilized and redistribute to various tissues as early as one day after implantation; highlights the special risks faced by children in the battle area, with risks to water and food supplies; recognizes risks of cancer, lung fibrosis, and DNA damage from DU deposited in bones.

The report recommends health monitoring of children, soldiers and civilians; epidemiological monitoring of cancer incidents of soldiers (what about civilians and soldiers' children?), including urine uranium testing, kidney function tests and neurological evaluations; removal of heavily contaminated soil in areas populated with civilians; and long term water and milk sampling in imact site.

http://currents.ucsc.edu/03-04/01-19/uranium.html
"U.S. veterans who were exposed to depleted uranium during the 1991 Gulf War have continued to excrete the potentially harmful chemical in their urine for years after their exposure, according to a new study published in the journal Health Physics."

http://traprockpeace.org/schott_12feb04.html
First War Pension Tribunal is won by British veteran Kenny Duncan over DU poisoning.

12-05-2004, 10:11 AM	#6 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Let's say for the sake of argument Ustwo is right. Admittedly the picture of the deformed baby did not add to the discussion at all. We all know what birth defects are. As soon as we read the word, we get plenty unpleasent pictures in our minds. It is possible that DU is not responsible for the deaths and cancer in Iraq. Let's say for the sake of argument that Superbelt is right. Ustwo quoted a "fact sheet" from the state department. The studies mentioned are ALL done by the government and military. NOT ONE was done by an independant organization (I took the liberty of calling the state department, and after 4 hours of waiting, I finally got a answer to one question). This is the same state department that told us about the dramatic events surrounding Jessica Lynch. I'm sorry, but I have a lot of trouble simply trusting them to this extent over something this serious. I would much rather see an indepentdant medical group do a study and come to the same conclusions as the state department/military. http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-156685c.html Staff Sgt. Ray Ramos http://www.nydailynews.com/news/loca...p-156686c.html Staff Sgt. Ray Ramos http://www.sundayherald.com/40306 The MoD (the UK's Ministry of Defence) passed on a card to troops on active service in Iraq: “You have been deployed to a theatre where depleted uranium (DU) munitions have been used. DU is a weakly radioactive heavy metal which has the potential to cause ill-health. You may have been exposed to dust containing DU during your deployment. “You are eligible for a urine test to measure uranium. If you wish to know more about having this test, you should consult your unit medical officer on return to your home base. Your medical officer can provide information about the health effects of DU.” http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2002training/wakayama2.pdf Among its warnings, the report recognizes that it is not safe to leave shell fragments in the body as per US military policy; warns that uranium would be solubilized and redistribute to various tissues as early as one day after implantation; highlights the special risks faced by children in the battle area, with risks to water and food supplies; recognizes risks of cancer, lung fibrosis, and DNA damage from DU deposited in bones. The report recommends health monitoring of children, soldiers and civilians; epidemiological monitoring of cancer incidents of soldiers (what about civilians and soldiers' children?), including urine uranium testing, kidney function tests and neurological evaluations; removal of heavily contaminated soil in areas populated with civilians; and long term water and milk sampling in imact site. http://currents.ucsc.edu/03-04/01-19/uranium.html "U.S. veterans who were exposed to depleted uranium during the 1991 Gulf War have continued to excrete the potentially harmful chemical in their urine for years after their exposure, according to a new study published in the journal Health Physics." http://traprockpeace.org/schott_12feb04.html First War Pension Tribunal is won by British veteran Kenny Duncan over DU poisoning.