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Big Cholla · 12-04-2004, 11:21 PM

LEOs are not taught to shoot to kill. That would be a big no-no for surviving the shooting board hearing and then the Grand Jury investigation/Coroner's Jury. LEOs are taught to "shoot to stop" a felonious action in progress. ...... LEOs draw and present their weapons all the time when arresting subjects after following their agency's "Force Continuum".

Civilians have a long history of presenting their weapon and telling the BG to "STOP, LEAVE, GET AWAY FROM ME, DON'T DO THAT", etc. and being successful at being obeyed without having to shoot anyone. The law applied to any defensive shooting is always open for interpertation by the Prosecutor and his/her bosses. Both civilian and LEO are far better off to not have to shoot, but if it comes to that make sure that an "Affirmative Defense" is available. i.e, "I was in fear for my life", "I was in fear for his/her life." There are locals where shooting in defense of property is in fact legal. Believe me when I say that no property is worth it. That is what insurance is for.

Some practical advice: If you have to present your CCW weapon and are successful at backing down the BG without shooting, be the first to make the police report. You very well could be accused of "Brandishing" a weapon or worse by the potential BG who is now the GG because he reported first. For some reason, the police tend to believe most the person reporting that comes forth first.

No trained shooter will take a deliberate head shot except snipers who are in a rock solid position; and even they miss at times. It is a desperation shot at the hardest part of the human body to hit correctly. In the case of an assailant with body armor and/or is chemically fueled, a hip shot is sometime justified to break a hip and make it physically impossible for them to advance and continue the felonious action. Of course, an assailant with a broken hip and with a gun still in hand is still a potential threat.

One last thing; civilians are usually given the most latitude in the aftermath of a shooting in justification of the "shoot, don't shoot" decision vis-a-vis LEOs. Civilians are given the least latitude in the legalities that occur post-shooting. LEOs are exactly the opposite in the "shoot, don't shoot" and the aftermath legalities, but all shooting situations are stand-alones as far as the thing plays out as a whole.

My philosophy is to carry, but to make extreme effort to not have to shoot.

12-04-2004, 11:21 PM	#29 (permalink)
Big Cholla Upright Location: Las Vegas, Nevada	LEOs are not taught to shoot to kill. That would be a big no-no for surviving the shooting board hearing and then the Grand Jury investigation/Coroner's Jury. LEOs are taught to "shoot to stop" a felonious action in progress. ...... LEOs draw and present their weapons all the time when arresting subjects after following their agency's "Force Continuum". Civilians have a long history of presenting their weapon and telling the BG to "STOP, LEAVE, GET AWAY FROM ME, DON'T DO THAT", etc. and being successful at being obeyed without having to shoot anyone. The law applied to any defensive shooting is always open for interpertation by the Prosecutor and his/her bosses. Both civilian and LEO are far better off to not have to shoot, but if it comes to that make sure that an "Affirmative Defense" is available. i.e, "I was in fear for my life", "I was in fear for his/her life." There are locals where shooting in defense of property is in fact legal. Believe me when I say that no property is worth it. That is what insurance is for. Some practical advice: If you have to present your CCW weapon and are successful at backing down the BG without shooting, be the first to make the police report. You very well could be accused of "Brandishing" a weapon or worse by the potential BG who is now the GG because he reported first. For some reason, the police tend to believe most the person reporting that comes forth first. No trained shooter will take a deliberate head shot except snipers who are in a rock solid position; and even they miss at times. It is a desperation shot at the hardest part of the human body to hit correctly. In the case of an assailant with body armor and/or is chemically fueled, a hip shot is sometime justified to break a hip and make it physically impossible for them to advance and continue the felonious action. Of course, an assailant with a broken hip and with a gun still in hand is still a potential threat. One last thing; civilians are usually given the most latitude in the aftermath of a shooting in justification of the "shoot, don't shoot" decision vis-a-vis LEOs. Civilians are given the least latitude in the legalities that occur post-shooting. LEOs are exactly the opposite in the "shoot, don't shoot" and the aftermath legalities, but all shooting situations are stand-alones as far as the thing plays out as a whole. My philosophy is to carry, but to make extreme effort to not have to shoot. Last edited by Big Cholla; 12-06-2004 at 11:22 PM..