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Dragonlich · 12-03-2004, 11:58 AM

Some interesting comments from the experts:
- the fact that the supreme court actually spoke about millions of votes that were falsified is a direct attack on Yanukovych. If they had merely said that there were irregularities, he might have dismissed it as a political ploy. Now he is ruled guilty of massive fraud, and he'll have a very hard time remaining in politics altogether.
- the media in Ukraine, particularly the TV stations, are slowly but surely edging away from Yanukovych, and are now reporting more and more about the opposition. Some even started supporting the opposition. The end result: the opposition will likely retain their following in the West, and will expand their following in the East. Hence, they'll more than likely win.

Some personal thoughts:
- Russia has been kicked in the nuts. Putin has been shown to support a fraudulent candidate, and he'll definitely lose face over that.
- The pro-Yanukovych people in the Eastern provinces (which threatened to break away) will be severely disappointed by this ruling. Some will call it a Western ploy, others will see the truth. How many will do what still remains to be seen.

I hope the new election will be fair (should be run by an unbiased election committee), and I hope the results will be decisive. If Yanukovych still gets a large vote (say 40%), his followers will claim the opposition committed fraud. If he gets less than 30%, they haven't a leg to stand on.

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About the Ukrainian troops in Iraq: both candidates had already pledged to pull them out *before* the election. The fact that there was a vote can hardly be described as a surprise. However, I don't think that this vote is legally binding - I'd say the Ukrainian government has to decide that, not the parliament. That is, if their political system works the same way ours (Netherlands) does.

12-03-2004, 11:58 AM	#49 (permalink)
Dragonlich 42, baby! Location: The Netherlands	Some interesting comments from the experts: - the fact that the supreme court actually spoke about millions of votes that were falsified is a direct attack on Yanukovych. If they had merely said that there were irregularities, he might have dismissed it as a political ploy. Now he is ruled guilty of massive fraud, and he'll have a very hard time remaining in politics altogether. - the media in Ukraine, particularly the TV stations, are slowly but surely edging away from Yanukovych, and are now reporting more and more about the opposition. Some even started supporting the opposition. The end result: the opposition will likely retain their following in the West, and will expand their following in the East. Hence, they'll more than likely win. Some personal thoughts: - Russia has been kicked in the nuts. Putin has been shown to support a fraudulent candidate, and he'll definitely lose face over that. - The pro-Yanukovych people in the Eastern provinces (which threatened to break away) will be severely disappointed by this ruling. Some will call it a Western ploy, others will see the truth. How many will do what still remains to be seen. I hope the new election will be fair (should be run by an unbiased election committee), and I hope the results will be decisive. If Yanukovych still gets a large vote (say 40%), his followers will claim the opposition committed fraud. If he gets less than 30%, they haven't a leg to stand on. ------------------- About the Ukrainian troops in Iraq: both candidates had already pledged to pull them out before the election. The fact that there was a vote can hardly be described as a surprise. However, I don't think that this vote is legally binding - I'd say the Ukrainian government has to decide that, not the parliament. That is, if their political system works the same way ours (Netherlands) does. Last edited by Dragonlich; 12-03-2004 at 12:02 PM..