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Old 12-02-2004, 03:15 AM   #28 (permalink)
Baron Opal
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Originally Posted by vox_rox
Nope, it answers nothing, and it says nothing. Theonly way your five rules work, on any level, is if you start by be;leiving the premise stated in number 1, which I don't and many others do not. And, the obvious problem here is that he is a God, and he "wants people to love and care for one another" yet he does nothing to further that agenda.
True, the rest follow from the first premise, that there is a divine being of some sort. This has been sufficently proven to me my my experiences. Given the nature of these experiences I wouldn't expect anyone else to believe based on them (They weren't Burning Bush / Road to Damascus situations ) And I think he does further that agenda. He inspires people often and has given us free will and reason. Prophets all around the world bear the same message. But he can't interfere directly, else we would lose our free will, and thus our ability to grow and achieve.

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Originally Posted by vox_rox
I suppose if you fear living in hell "without him" might scare you into being loving and caring, but I doubt that very much. I an loving and caring without God, and many beleivers are not, so why the disparity? And is fear the only motivator this GOd has and, if so, does that not display a stark inability to cement his wants and desires into a human model that exemplifies that?
What fear? There is no fear. If I choose a life that disdains love and God, that's my decision. If I walk away and choose to isolate myself from God there is no punishment handed down. There is just the isolation that I imposed upon myself.

God is not some aged sage sitting upon a golden throne among the clouds. God is not physical in any sense you and I would comprehend. I am certain that whatever does await us after death is outside this physical universe. Also, I don't see how a creed of Love, Respect, and Responsibility is a set of "chains and cages". It certainly prevents me from committing crimes, but I don't think that' what your getting at.

If you follow the same creed, I'm sure we'll meet on the other side.
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