View Single Post
Old 11-30-2004, 09:02 AM   #51 (permalink)
Tophat665
Minion of the scaléd ones
 
Tophat665's Avatar
 
Location: Northeast Jesusland
Quote:
Originally Posted by Locobot
Agree on RHH, disagree with the above. Roachboy pretty much already destroyed this sentiment but I just thought I'd add that these are the same things that were said about electric guitars 50 years ago--that they were'nt insturments--that the people who played them weren't musicians etc. People had similiar problems with bass-guitars, synthysizers, drum-machines, theremin, distortion, and samplers--now these things are commonplace.
The problem with that is Electric Guitars, Bass Guitars, and Theremins take every bit the skill to play as any other instrument, so that's a disingenuous argument. Distortion and effects, even midi effects, do not change the fact that one still needs to play an instrument to generate a signal for them to generate, so that's a disingenuous argument. Some synthesizers are really just keyboards, and the best of those mimic the action of a piano to a great degree, requiring the same skills to play, and still others mimic and require the same skills ans other instruments, and one, the Synth-Axe Drumitar the "drummer" for the Flecktones uses, even requires a totally novel set of musical skills, on the other hand, some synthesizers and most drum machines are not musical instruments; they are computers with a sound output, and the skill involved in making music with them is a programming skill. That's fine, but it shouldn't be confused with music any more than a photoshop on Fark or Something Awful should be confused with Art. So, I guess what I am getting at is that synthesizers and drum machines are every bit as problematic as Sampling.

Understand that I am not saying that Synthesizers and Drum Machines and Samples cannot be part of worthwhile music, or something used in addition to things that require musical talent, just that the programmers thereof are more like the lighting guys or the producers or folks who run the soundboard than they are like the musicians. They're technicians, not musicians. My beef with Dance and Techno is that a large part of it seems to me to rely entirely on these programmed devices, to the exclusion of any display of musical talent. That and I find it boring, repetitive, and unpleasant to listen to, so even if you disagree with my intellectual argument for disliking it, you cannot justly disagree that it is very much not to my taste.
__________________
Light a man a fire, and he will be warm while it burns.
Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
Tophat665 is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360