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Originally Posted by Strange Famous
As for Ukraine, for all the rhetoric, I havent actually seen any real substance to the allegations of electoral fraud. This seems to me more a case of teh West trying to interfere to get the candidate that they want... but I would need to know more of the factual allegations to judge them - which is lacking in all of the various vieled threats from other nations and paranoid claims of the beaten candidate.
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Why would this be a Western plot? One could also say that the fraudulent elections were a *Russian* plot to get the candidate they want.
As for the evidence: you might have missed the reports of near-100% voter turnout in pro-government areas, versus a 75% turnout overall. Not necessarily fraud, but very suspicious.
Furthermore, you might have missed the OSCE observers calling the election marred with irregularities. Sure, they may be signs of "the west trying to interfere", but they may be as independent as they say they are... especially given the membership of Russia, and other former USSR countries.
Then there's the fact that Russia now seems to move towards acceptance of new elections. Why would they do that if there was no actual fraud?
Besides, if the Ukrainian parliament itself passes a vote saying the elections were fraudulent, and the election committee was biased, *even with pro-government members present* during the vote, I'd say there's something fishy going on.
But we should probably wait and see what the Ukrainian supreme court decides. They have access to the evidence, where we do not. But then again, they could have been influenced by the West. Or Russia. So any decision is sure to be dismissed by the losing side. We'll see what your eventual response will be - I just hope it's not an automatic "the west did it".