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Originally Posted by powerclown
Yes I deny this occurred, are you kidding? The population of that town was 300,000. Are you saying that every man in the city of fighting age out of 300,000 people was an insurgent fighting the Americans? That would mean tens of thousands of insurgents in battle.
Again, I will say that its up to the Iraqis whether they want a city of law and order, or a lawless city run by gangs. The latter scenario is incompatible in a democratic system, where a centralized ruling government needs to be in control of its cities to be in control of its country. What this campaign did was show the people of Fallujah that its now possible to live in peace, without fear of intimidation. Ideally, they will now have a say in who runs their city. The Americans will rebuild the city better than it originally was.
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No, I'm not kidding. First of all, where do you get 300,000 from? You need to recheck your math--that includes women and children.
Read what I wrote again and then look at the past couple of posts by both me and bodyhammer.
What we said is that there were a) insurgents and b) innocent men between 18-40 who were prevented from leaving.
Then I posted information that tens of thousands of civilians have been getting killed while waiting for the fighting to cease.
But now I know where you stand--you are denying this occurred so I don't know what space is left to discuss the facts as reported.