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Originally Posted by hannukah harry
you're examples don't really make much sense.
a football player can spend the same percent or more or less of their salary than a mcdonalds employee. it's their money, they can do what they want with it. it's completely irrelevant to the discussion.
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Really? I'm sure the IRS would have something to say about that.
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you don't have the right to choose an abortion or not because it's not your body. again, unrelated to this topic.
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I disagree, I'm not asking to cut off a woman's arm, I want to have the same say in a child that I would be responsible for that the woman does. Are you saying discrimination against males is ok?
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cia agents can see what they see becasue they've earned/been granted the clearance, and with a permit, you can carry a gun pretty much everywhere the police can.
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That's good to know, now I can pack heat when I go to the hospital. And gays can gain the same benefits, males just have to marry a woman, or women marry males.
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the govt. currently grants rights (maybe priveliges is a better word?) to people when they get married. there is no reason for the govt. to deny those privelidges to a couple just because they're homosexual. marriage is a contract between two consenting adults, their gender should not make a difference.
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It should if gender is inherent to purpose of the contract.
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you said in the post above that you think govt.'s place in modern marriage is about helping create an environment to promote family and stability? well, homosexuals can have kids. i don't know a single lesbian that couldn't go get knocked up if she wanted to. if we won't let them adopt, they can always have 'em naturally. so why not let lesbians get married?
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They can, all they have to do is marry the guy who got them pregnant.
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now, fags can't have kids unless we let them adopt. but we don't want that now do we! afterall, they have a dirty lifestyle, and if we keep them from marrying, hopefully they're icky ways will just die out!
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Why would they die out? People can always chose to be gay. And many "fags" don't think they should be allowed to adopt. Also, I personally believe it lessens the value of a mother and father in raising a child.
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anyways, the govt. can deny rights when it has a compelling interest to do so. they have a good reason to deny people the 'right' to do certain things that harm others. but there is no compelling interest in denying gays the right to get married. the most compelling interest for them to do it is 'it's icky gross!' and that's not very compelling, is it?
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Apparently many people think there is compelling reasons for denying them the ability to marry. Wouldn't it make sense that the "public" would define what is in their intrest? And it happened in at least 11 states this year. There are lots of things that are prohibited because people think they are "icky". Again, you are framing the question wrong. It's not "Why should these people be denied rights" its "Why should a particular behavior have prefered status over others?" and no gay marriage advocate has come up with a logical reason for that (at least that I have read or heard from someone, maybe there is one somewhere).