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Originally Posted by Manx
Until I realize that they are nothing but excuses to justify the negation of social welfare policies.
I have to say: I couldn't care less how hard your dad had it, how hard you had it or how difficult it is to walk 10 miles to school up hill, both ways.
There are countless instances of people not having opportunities to achieve this magically-easy success of which you speak. When you come from an environment which has been downtrodden for decades and subjected to inferior standards of "equality" for centuries, it is not a simple matter of waiting until most of the bastards that did the oppressing have died off to eliminate the mentality from those that do the oppressing and those that are subjected to the oppressing. There is no amount of hard work that is as easy as you would like to believe that is going to change a mentality of a child raised in an environment of shit, itself born from an environment of shit, and again from an environment of shit. As hard as you want me to believe your sob story was, there are thousands of families that have it 100 times harder. It is no longer a case of "yeah yeah, your mom is a crack whore and who the hell knows who your pop is? but all you need to do is ignore that meaningless problem and study hard and you'll achieve the grand American dream". It's NONSENSE. You can't switch off the effects of these types of environments. Money has to be spent to weaken the corrosive influence they have on our entire society.
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What you're talking about is theft. You couch it in terms of "social welfare", but stealing is what you're talking about. You play the race card beautifully, without even mentioning race. Unfortunately, it's still crap. For your reading pleasure:
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Men are so constituted that they derive their conviction of their own possibilities largely from the estimate formed of them by others. If nothing is expected of a people, that people will find it difficult to contradict that expectation.
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Everybody has asked the question, and they learned to ask it early of the Abolitionists, "What shall we do with the Negro?" I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are worm-eaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature's plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the Negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone! If you see him on his way to school, let him alone -- don't disturb him. If you see him going to the dinner table at a hotel, let him go! If you see him going to the ballot-box, let him alone, -- don't disturb him! If you see him going into a workshop, just let him alone, -- your interference is doing him a positive injury....Let him fall if he cannot stand alone! If the Negro cannot live by the line of eternal justice,...the fault will not be yours; it will be his who made the Negro, and established that line for his government. Let him live or die by that. If you will only untie his hands, and give him a chance, I think he will live...
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Your position completely contradicts this position.
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And lastly - rich people did not automatically work hard to become rich. It takes money to make money. It takes cronyism to make money. It takes greed and deception to make money. Honest, hard work is not the most important qualifier for achieving success - by any measure. It is far easier to cheat than it is to produce something beneficial.
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If you truly believe this, I feel very, very sorry for you.