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Manx · 11-19-2004, 04:10 PM

It's heartwarming to read all these personal stories about overcoming obstacles to achieve "success" in life.

Until I realize that they are nothing but excuses to justify the negation of social welfare policies.

I have to say: I couldn't care less how hard your dad had it, how hard you had it or how difficult it is to walk 10 miles to school up hill, both ways.

There are countless instances of people not having opportunities to achieve this magically-easy success of which you speak. When you come from an environment which has been downtrodden for decades and subjected to inferior standards of "equality" for centuries, it is not a simple matter of waiting until most of the bastards that did the oppressing have died off to eliminate the mentality from those that do the oppressing and those that are subjected to the oppressing. There is no amount of hard work that is as easy as you would like to believe that is going to change a mentality of a child raised in an environment of shit, itself born from an environment of shit, and again from an environment of shit. As hard as you want me to believe your sob story was, there are thousands of families that have it 100 times harder. It is no longer a case of "yeah yeah, your mom is a crack whore and who the hell knows who your pop is? but all you need to do is ignore that meaningless problem and study hard and you'll achieve the grand American dream". It's NONSENSE. You can't switch off the effects of these types of environments. Money has to be spent to weaken the corrosive influence they have on our entire society.

Everyone has received help. No one has made themselves. You receive help the moment you are conceived. The effectiveness of the help you receive until you leave home for the first time determines how effectively you will strive for success on your own. It is in your upbringing, the relationships you have with your parents, friends and teachers while you are a child which creates you. Everyone does not get the same treatment.

And lastly - rich people did not automatically work hard to become rich. It takes money to make money. It takes cronyism to make money. It takes greed and deception to make money. Honest, hard work is not the most important qualifier for achieving success - by any measure. It is far easier to cheat than it is to produce something beneficial.

11-19-2004, 04:10 PM	#74 (permalink)
Manx Loser	It's heartwarming to read all these personal stories about overcoming obstacles to achieve "success" in life. Until I realize that they are nothing but excuses to justify the negation of social welfare policies. I have to say: I couldn't care less how hard your dad had it, how hard you had it or how difficult it is to walk 10 miles to school up hill, both ways. There are countless instances of people not having opportunities to achieve this magically-easy success of which you speak. When you come from an environment which has been downtrodden for decades and subjected to inferior standards of "equality" for centuries, it is not a simple matter of waiting until most of the bastards that did the oppressing have died off to eliminate the mentality from those that do the oppressing and those that are subjected to the oppressing. There is no amount of hard work that is as easy as you would like to believe that is going to change a mentality of a child raised in an environment of shit, itself born from an environment of shit, and again from an environment of shit. As hard as you want me to believe your sob story was, there are thousands of families that have it 100 times harder. It is no longer a case of "yeah yeah, your mom is a crack whore and who the hell knows who your pop is? but all you need to do is ignore that meaningless problem and study hard and you'll achieve the grand American dream". It's NONSENSE. You can't switch off the effects of these types of environments. Money has to be spent to weaken the corrosive influence they have on our entire society. Everyone has received help. No one has made themselves. You receive help the moment you are conceived. The effectiveness of the help you receive until you leave home for the first time determines how effectively you will strive for success on your own. It is in your upbringing, the relationships you have with your parents, friends and teachers while you are a child which creates you. Everyone does not get the same treatment. And lastly - rich people did not automatically work hard to become rich. It takes money to make money. It takes cronyism to make money. It takes greed and deception to make money. Honest, hard work is not the most important qualifier for achieving success - by any measure. It is far easier to cheat than it is to produce something beneficial. Last edited by Manx; 11-19-2004 at 04:14 PM..