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Old 11-18-2004, 01:11 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by JumpinJesus
The notion that those working poor have within their homes a stash of old bongs and pipes and stacks of back issues of Teen Beat seems a little archaic - does anyone actually read Teen Beat anymore? Do we really believe that the working poor were lazy, pot-smoking do-nothings who are now receving their karmic reward while those who are not poor were the hard-working, nose-to-the-grindstone studious types who are also now reaping the rewards of their toils?
Hey, I'm in my late 30's, so if my references are too archaic for you, sue me. It's all about education and hard work. Actually, more than hard work....working smart. If you go through life with a goal of being a sports star or a rap star or whatever, odds are good that you're going to end up disappointed unless at some point you re-evaluate your goals and come up with something realistic. That means putting down the nintendo controller and studying something that you may find to not be glamorous or fun, and may in fact find deathly boring, like accounting. (/sings "It's fun to charter an accountant, and sail the wide accountance-sea! To find, explore the funds offshore, and skirt the shoals of bankruptcyyyyyyyy! It can be manly in insurance. We'll up your premiums semi-annually! It's all tax-deductable, we're fairly incorruptable, we're sailing on the wide accountancy!!!") It also means delaying gratification in some cases. I've got friends I went to highschool with who got out of school and went directly into the workplace. Now, they're looking at their lives, their mortgages, their wives and 2.3 kids, and wondering "Is this all?" They've gotten the rewards that they wanted, but have foreclosed on their own opportunities, so now they can't AFFORD to go back to school, because they need that paycheck each month.


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Hmm, calling the poverty line a statistical critter....I've never heard a statistic called a critter before. I may be wrong, but I take this statement as a trivialization of the idea of a poverty line. Taking away from its factual basis as a number that describes the ability of people who work 40 hours a week - the basis of pan's thread - to earn a decent living is disingenuous. Your statement that the stupid can still be poor even though they make a lot of money does not address the issue of this thread. A stupid person may be intellectually poor, but if they're making $75,000 a year, they are not living below the poverty line.
The "poverty line" is a statistically formulated figure based upon averaging. It's not a thing that denotes something "real", like at what point malnutrition sets in. It's a statistical deviation on the average.

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The working poor are not looking for a fun and easy way out. They're already working a full-time job. Some of them are even working 2 jobs. We're talking about people who cannot afford college but are willing to work as hard as they must to make ends meet. Don't they deserve a wage that allows them the means and the time to raise their families?
If a person making $75K a year has 50 kids, they may well be below the poverty line. People have a choice. They can do what they want when they want, which will limit their ability to make themselves more marketable, and therefore will limit their ability to make more money. That's a result of the decisions that THEY made, and they must take responsibility for their own actions.

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The reason is simple: based on our careers, we signed a contract requiring us to live within the city limits of Chicago. Housing in Chicago is not exactly cheap. While we do not live in poverty, we are unable to afford a mortgage.
100% WRONG. You're not unable to afford a mortgage, you're unable to afford a mortgage in the part of town you would want to live in, or one you would want to live in but still manage to afford to keep all of your other toys while living there. There's a major difference.

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The reality is that there are many people in our nation unable to afford a lifestyle that is comfortable or even livable. That someone who works an honest day is not able to afford the basic necessities in life is dispicable.
The problem is that people don't want to live a lifestyle that is within their means. We live in a country where the drug addicts that are the poorest of the poor still manage to buy hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars worth of drugs on a monthly basis. Just recently, there was a janitor that died and managed to leave over $2 MILLION dollars to a university. How did he do it? He worked, and more importantly, he lived below his means and SAVED. If you're poor, you shouldn't be spending your money on "felony flyers" or Hilfiger clothing or whatever's "big" now, you should buy generic. Instead of conspicuous consumption, go with the old "use it, fix it, make do" philosophy. It's a LOT cheaper, and it allows you to save your money for things that actually matter to you. $120 for a pair of freaking tennis shoes? Get fucking REAL. That works for everybody....not just the poor. I've NEVER spent more than $50 for a pair of shoes, even for work. And I don't throw out clothes because they've "gone out of style". I wear them until there's no more use in them, and I don't buy stuff that is likely to become "dated". And when I shop for cars, I look for how long it will last, how expensive it will be to fix it, and what kind of costs are associated with it. Needless to say, I don't drive a luxury car, and I don't have a $4,000 set of rims on the car I do drive.

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