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Originally Posted by mandal
wow.. lots of responses.
Sorry I did not clarify, but what my friend meant by biologically unnatural is in terms of sexual reproductive parts and human intercourse. What he is saying is that woman have vaginas made for a man to put his penis into and to reproduce, while gay males and females in no way do this. i did not actually argue it out with him, but another friend of mine told me about his argument with this friend.
Anyways, there are a few arguments refering to animals, but as someone already stated they are lesser animals and we as humans should be above that (Don't argue this one out too much, since I for one don't think he really cares about this and i'm sure most anti-gays dont either). Second, arguments about it being pleasurable and that we are a social society, his arguements clearly states, biological, social issues do not matter. Also, a womens clitoris being left out for ease of pleasurement by any sex isn't too great an argument. A womens clitoris is made pleasureable because when a women has an orgasm her vagina contracts forming a sort of suction, making more sperm enter her vagina. Also, doesn't this leave room for animals and everything to pleasure us to, lets just not go there. Third, anal sex and oral sex, he does not believe in these things either. lastly, I thought about the idea that almost everything we do is "unnatural," but this seems to be a very weak argument. Mainly because in reference to cars and inventions, we made these things, there isn't really a way for these things to be natural, also the composition of the earth are meant to be used for resources such as these. the problem with homosexuality is the plain simple fact that there is a penis and a vagina, and they come together for a biological purpose.
it's sort of difficult to explain the argument, but there has been some good points brought up. I think most of you understand what i'm saying, so don't pick on the words.
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As for the clitoris argument, it is a very valid and strong argument, it could do it's job just as well if it was located inside the vagina, so if there is a God and he did create man and woman, why did he put the clitoris on the outside? It seems that your friend is basing is argument on the idea that sex is for reproductive purposes only. He is saying that it has nothing to do with creating a strong emotional bond between people and a sense of security and safety.
And these ARE biological factors. It was proven by Nazi experiments in trying to find a more effecient way of raising children, that babies need to be held and cuddled. If they are not they stop eating and eventually die. Humans need companionship to live a healthy life, there is no definition as to what this companionship consists of, be it man and woman, man and man, or woman and woman; It can even be nothing more than a friendship. Lack of companionship as great biological effects.
And think about this:
Of the five(I'm pretty sure it's five) requirements that an organism must meet to be considered alive, the one concerning reproduction, says that it must only have the ability to reproduce, not the desire. Sure human sex organs are designed for reproduction, just like a screwdriver is designed to turn screws, but that doesn't mean that you can't put the screwdriver or genitals to other uses. Fucking can be done solely for the purpose of pleasure and/or bonding between two people.
And what do you mean he doesn't believe in anal or oral sex? Has he never watched a porno? (ok, that's kinda picking on the wording so I'll try to respond to what I think your really trying to say):
Sex is not just for reproduction, oral sex and anal sex cause pleasure for many people. Sex is about pleasure, the reproductive aspect really comes in as a side note. Do you really think people would have sex if it caused them no pleasure, did not create a bond between them and their partner, and gave them another mouth to feed? Not to mention the risk of the woman dying in child birth. The only reason many animals are able to do it that way is because of the overwhelming genetic drive they have to do it. Humans don't have that same reproductive drive, our reproductive drive is based off of a need to feel pleasure.
Edit: oops, just noticed the second page, sorry if this is late in the discussion.