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crumbbum · 05-12-2003, 05:30 PM

You may not believe this, but I don't necessarily blame the Palestinians for their situation. They have been abused by Arab leaders from the very beginning. First they were encouraged by the arab countries to leave their homes, and of course some were expelled in the course of the fighting, and then when they lost the war their "friends" just turned their backs on them and left them to rot. They have been living on world charity forever, have never had a working economy (most relied on jobs in Israel). Their media is controlled, anyone who dissents is killed as a "collaborator". I remember seeing a few months back, when an 18 year old girl, among others, were killed for "collaboration", and their bodies hung on lampposts in Bethlehem. Where was the rest of the world? Yasser arafat and the other corrupt leaders have amassed fortunes from all the money given, that the people never see. They are deliberately made to suffer, as human polical weapons. It is truly sick. As far as racism, again, obviously there are racist Israelis too. But the conflict for Israel isn't about racism, it's about defense and security. No country can sit by when it's citizens are murdered en masse. And as far as deserving a state goes, the palestinians shouldn't be given a state now 1. because it would be rewarding terrorism, and would send the message that it works to all the other would-be terrorists in the world, and 2. Because the current palestinian leadership isn't after statehood- the goal is the destruction of Israel. You should read the translations of the speeches Arafat makes in arabic. I think the US or Israel should reoccupy, clean out the terrorists for good, free the media and revamp the schools to educate for peace. wait a few years, Add some economic development, help them create their own infrastructure, and if they are content to just live and there is no more terrorism, then the conditions for peace will have been created. Giving them anything now will only lead to more violence. Jews deserve a state because after thousands of years of disgusting persecution, and in the end the Holocaust, proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that no other nation could be trusted to guarantee the safety of jewish people. As for the place, it has always been the jewish homeland. It's where they come from and where they have prayed to ever since they were exiled. The palestinians shouldn't get a state because at this point it would just be another terror state, which no one wants or needs. No one stands to benefit from that right now except the greedy palestinian leaders and the western governments who want to appease the arabs. The Israelis lose and the Palestinians themselves lose too, because it would be a repressive police state, like it is now. If peace is what the world wants, the palestinian arabs need to normalize their society, as it has become distorted and warped after years of brainwashing and progaganda. There is too much bloodlust to make peace now, and to do so would be foolish. It will only make things worse. Also, there are huge, fertile and empty tracts of land all over the place in the arab world. Why exactly does the state need to be where everyone wants it? It will surely lead to war. The palestinians don't, despite the brainwashing have any tangible connection to the land, with some exceptions. The definition of a palestinian, according to the UN, is any arab who is descended from someone who lived in the land for at least 2 years. A small minority of them actually do go back a lot longer, but any of those are Israeli arabs, and the ones that aren't, obviously should be compensated. But most are descended from arabs who came seeking work. They could have their state anywhere, politics aside. It doesn't make sense to create it where it will surely lead to war. And again about racism, 20% of Israelis are arabs. In 2000 when two Israeli reservists accidentally got lost and wandered into Ramallah, they were taken to a palestinian police station, where they were severely beaten, and then their bodies thrown out of the high window into the arab mob below. They proceeded to tear their bodies apart and dance around with their entrails and in their blood, singing and cheering exultantly. Last time I checked, there haven't been any jewish lynch mobs tearing palestinians apart and dancing in their blood. I'm sure there are racist Israelis, but there is no equivalence to Palestinian hatred.

05-12-2003, 05:30 PM	#22 (permalink)
crumbbum Crazy Location: CT,NYC,NJ(have been all over)	You may not believe this, but I don't necessarily blame the Palestinians for their situation. They have been abused by Arab leaders from the very beginning. First they were encouraged by the arab countries to leave their homes, and of course some were expelled in the course of the fighting, and then when they lost the war their "friends" just turned their backs on them and left them to rot. They have been living on world charity forever, have never had a working economy (most relied on jobs in Israel). Their media is controlled, anyone who dissents is killed as a "collaborator". I remember seeing a few months back, when an 18 year old girl, among others, were killed for "collaboration", and their bodies hung on lampposts in Bethlehem. Where was the rest of the world? Yasser arafat and the other corrupt leaders have amassed fortunes from all the money given, that the people never see. They are deliberately made to suffer, as human polical weapons. It is truly sick. As far as racism, again, obviously there are racist Israelis too. But the conflict for Israel isn't about racism, it's about defense and security. No country can sit by when it's citizens are murdered en masse. And as far as deserving a state goes, the palestinians shouldn't be given a state now 1. because it would be rewarding terrorism, and would send the message that it works to all the other would-be terrorists in the world, and 2. Because the current palestinian leadership isn't after statehood- the goal is the destruction of Israel. You should read the translations of the speeches Arafat makes in arabic. I think the US or Israel should reoccupy, clean out the terrorists for good, free the media and revamp the schools to educate for peace. wait a few years, Add some economic development, help them create their own infrastructure, and if they are content to just live and there is no more terrorism, then the conditions for peace will have been created. Giving them anything now will only lead to more violence. Jews deserve a state because after thousands of years of disgusting persecution, and in the end the Holocaust, proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that no other nation could be trusted to guarantee the safety of jewish people. As for the place, it has always been the jewish homeland. It's where they come from and where they have prayed to ever since they were exiled. The palestinians shouldn't get a state because at this point it would just be another terror state, which no one wants or needs. No one stands to benefit from that right now except the greedy palestinian leaders and the western governments who want to appease the arabs. The Israelis lose and the Palestinians themselves lose too, because it would be a repressive police state, like it is now. If peace is what the world wants, the palestinian arabs need to normalize their society, as it has become distorted and warped after years of brainwashing and progaganda. There is too much bloodlust to make peace now, and to do so would be foolish. It will only make things worse. Also, there are huge, fertile and empty tracts of land all over the place in the arab world. Why exactly does the state need to be where everyone wants it? It will surely lead to war. The palestinians don't, despite the brainwashing have any tangible connection to the land, with some exceptions. The definition of a palestinian, according to the UN, is any arab who is descended from someone who lived in the land for at least 2 years. A small minority of them actually do go back a lot longer, but any of those are Israeli arabs, and the ones that aren't, obviously should be compensated. But most are descended from arabs who came seeking work. They could have their state anywhere, politics aside. It doesn't make sense to create it where it will surely lead to war. And again about racism, 20% of Israelis are arabs. In 2000 when two Israeli reservists accidentally got lost and wandered into Ramallah, they were taken to a palestinian police station, where they were severely beaten, and then their bodies thrown out of the high window into the arab mob below. They proceeded to tear their bodies apart and dance around with their entrails and in their blood, singing and cheering exultantly. Last time I checked, there haven't been any jewish lynch mobs tearing palestinians apart and dancing in their blood. I'm sure there are racist Israelis, but there is no equivalence to Palestinian hatred. __________________ Truth is peace. We are all souls in bodies.