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Originally Posted by Ilow
OK, I guess I'm going to have to keep saying this until the Conservatives pay attention--Kerry was not left wing, far-left, or ultra liberal. In fact he is actually slightly to the right of purely moderate. (check www.politicalcompass.org yourself)
The vast majority of Democratic supporters do not want a left wing government they would settle for a moderate one. The problem is that a great many Conservatives feel that far, far right is the new center so the actual moderate position must be just over the horizon. Until this ridiculousness is sorted out there will never be an end to the current acrimony.
Like Smooth, I am also finishing my Doctorate and will therefore be tied to the United States for a couple more years. I feel as if it is both a blessing and a curse. As much as i feel uncomfortable about having less freedom to roam, I figure the proof of this administration's puddings taste will be abundantly clear by then, at which time I can make a thought out decision. If I come to feel that this country no longer has a place for me then I will begin a systematic search of possible new homes, probably starting with Australia etc. but we'll have to see.
I have to say, as an Independant this entire situation is indeed very sad for me. I would have never predicted 12 years ago when I began voting that there would be no place left for moderates and that i would be actually considering leaving this country. I have my (veteran) Grandfather's flag hanging over my bed, and it kills me that the things that his generation fought for are being undermined because of yahoos who can't stand the idea of: not owning Uzis, letting gay people marry, or believing in Dinosaurs. |
If Kerry is right of moderate, what is all this whining about? Would we be listening to all this garbage about leaving the country if he had won? He wasn't going to legalize gay marriage--he was against it; he wasn't going to repeal the patriot act or withdraw from Iraq.
You say the democrats want moderation, but the conservatives don't. I could just as easily say the liberals want a far left agenda, but republicans want to govern from the middle. There are several high-profile moderate pro-choice republicans. How middle of the road are the democratic leaders. Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton?
If your grandfather had been asked at the time of his service what was he fighting for, where on the list would he have mentioned gay marriage. I know, he would have said freedom and you think that included gay marriage. Did he or those serving with him?
You blame conservatives for the bans on gay marriage. Wake up. If Kerry had won, gay marriage would still have lost in every state. Every state. The so-called moderates and independants voted against it. That doesn't make a conservative a yahoo. The fact that a person supports the actual words of the constitution and the 2nd amendment does not make them a yahoo. It would seem to me that more people believe in dinosaurs now than when your grandfather or great-grandfather were in school.
You want out? Get out. I'm staying and I don't need your sympathy for my plight. The people who are fighting for this country right now, who are dying for this country right now, who are risking everything in their service to this country right now overwhelmingly support the current adminstration. Those that do deserve better than to be labeled as yahoos by you. Call them whatever you want, I'll be glad to have them back here when their job is done.