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Originally Posted by Coppertop
Thanks for the post. I note you failed to say anything of import, though. Religion has claimed to have found the ultimate truth, science has not. And don't get me started on who has killed countless people in the name of their "theory."
I take it you figure it is pointless to try and change the thing you love, and it's better to accept it how it is, failure though it may be.
Last I checked. no one here professed to having a superior anything. Have some sort of inferiority complex?
To address the evolution/creation issue I'll paraphrase someone I doubt you've heard of. "I got a one word question for you: dinosaurs."
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Are you trying to say no one has been killed by communism? If that's your best point about the nobility of evolution (an easier belief to be held by socialists or communists) you should really look at more history.
Did you read my post? Did I say "just give up - you loose!" I just said to go recharge your socialist battery in a socialist country so you can feel better. I'm just trying to give a sense of hope.
The best you can do is to attack me personally? Ok, yes I feel inferior to you - you got me (do you sense the sarcasm?).
The question of dinosaurs doesn't provide the "slam dunk" to your argument that you might think. There are plenty of ways to explain that away within the limits of creationism - the most plausible being the idea that God's creation of the earth in Seven Days was more of a simile than a literal statement. There are also suggestions from people that maybe god used parts of other worlds to create this one. Another one might be the simple faith challenge this "mystery" would bring to the less devout. In any event Dinosaur fossils only prove there are Dinosaur fossils. Let me put it this way, if there was a person on earth that demonstrated the same powers as Moses was purported to demonstrate. Say he performed some of the same miracles as were performed in that movie The Ten Commandments - would everyone accept this as proof? Of course they wouldn't, they would accept them just as Ramsees did - as sheer miraculous coincidence (those people would probably believe in evolution). Do I blame those people for their beleifs? No I don't - because I see believing in evolution as equatable to a religious belief.
So do you think you're proving your point yet? The funny thing is - I have yet to try and prove creationism to anyone or even say that evolution is an inferior arguement to creationism - I don't, no one theory is better than another. And to believe one is, is a mistake.
Back to the core arguement - the idea that somehow the re-election of GWB somehow brings this country closer to the bringing together of church and state is a big leap of faith on behalf of the "progressive left" (pun intended). All I know is I saw John Kerry in many more churches (this may have been biased news coverage, but the arguement still remains) campaigning for his election than George Bush - where was the concern/outrage? There wasn't much, mainly in my opinion, because everyone knows John Kerry has no christian beliefs - he's a poser. It was the same when he went duck hunting - did he sway the NRA to think he was pro gun rights? The fact is liberals know that GWB isn't a poser - and that scares them because when they see someone believe in religion they automatically equate that to "killing and oppression in the name of God/Allah." Instead maybe they should look at the benefits of Christian Charity to the world, or Jesus's admonition about peacemaking or turning the other cheek. But they don't because having an agnostic outlook at life is the same as having a pesimistic view of life.