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Originally Posted by smooth
You argued that democrats were claiming the election was stolen (again). I didn't pull that article, Mr.SelfDestruct posted it--I just pasted the text of the link he provided (it's a few posts above mine). I agree that the author says his research indicates fraud--but that isn't the same as claiming the election was stolen, especially when the researcher allows that the data for Bush is still that he won the election albeit by a smaller margin.
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Perhaps you do not make a connection between alleging fraud and stealing the election, but what else can it be? One does not engage in fraud to
throw an election.
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Yes, I did look. I don't know the site, didn't care that much, don't have any particular reason to defend democrats (especially those part of a self-identified underground group), and didn't spend much time searching around. That's why I asked you to post the ones you were talking about.
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Not to pick nits, but it was you that said,
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However, I do have this analysis at hand, so perhaps you would point out the errors you detected (please apply intellect to data versus pejorative name-callining):
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This in response to a post of mine where I specifically asked for proof from a respect source, alleging that Bush stole the election, and this,
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I went over to Democratic Underground and wasn't able to find anyone asserting this.
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when I said that there were folks over at DU asserting that Bush stole the election.
So forgive me if I have misunderstood what you have been trying to say, because I certainly feel that what I have said has been misunderstood, if not twisted into something I have not said.
Perhaps I got the wrong idea here when you said,
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Not safe for rational thought?
Interesting...the first two links (for those who aren't going to look at them) are actually sophisticated statistical analyses of the vote data. They compare pre-vote polling, absentee ballots, election day ballots, and exit-polling data to uncover what the author believes to be inconsistencies.
Neither come remotely close to Lebell's (and Mr. SelfDestruct's) insinuation that people are irrationally claiming the president stole the election.
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While we may disagree that the particular post you used as an example claims that Bush stole the election, I believe the posts that I added show that there are many members of DU that believe just that.
It also occurs to me that you might believe that I was labeling all Dems as "crazies" or even just all members of DU as crazies. This is not the case. I recognize that there are many intelligent and sane individuals to be found in all political groupings. I still maintain however that DU attracts the Dem fringe element like ants to sugar.
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Of course, I did check your first two links and the first one doesn't say anything about fraud in the opening post and the second one is a compilation of other sites alleging fraud. You are exasperating. Why do you bother reading a site so opposed to your beliefs--is it so you can feel justified in thinking democrats are loony?
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I don't see the connection between the first part of the paragraph and the second, but I am assuming that even you will acknowledge that several posters are claiming Bush stole the election (or do you want me to post the quotes?)
As to being exaperating, please be assured it is mutual. And for what ever record you care to refer to, I do not regularly read DU, as it is too taxing, nor do I (as you allege elsewhere) have an account there.
I do however remain aware of it and look at it occasionally for one reason: Know thy enemy.
As to the statistical analysis that I have been "ignoring", let me make it clear: a statistical analysis is fine and good (I have certainly done my share), it is the conclusion that I find is erroneous.