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Originally Posted by tropple
Whoa, there...
Nazggul and Charlatan, a stereotype (in my definition) is the media-mind characterization of a group. Is that sort of how you define it, too? A characterization being a gathering of the most blantant and prominent features of at least one member of that group without regard as to whether or not that characterization applies to the entire group.
Yes? No?
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Yes, that may in fact be a steriotype by your definition. It is however, your steriotype. The media does not define a steriotype, you do. The media presents you with images and opinions that are a reflection of reality. Different media outlets have different points of view. You have chosen media outlets that you are most comfortable with, that you most associate with, that you are most entertained by. Those outlets define you as much as your point of view.
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Originally Posted by tropple
So, then, Nazggul, you are saying that all of the guys with wobbly wrists who call each other "bitch" in their best judy garland voices are being themselves? No, I disagree, my viewpoint is that they've seen this image for so many years and have sadly become that image because they think that is how a homosexual man is "supposed" to be. That is a falsehood, nothing more that acting.
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Alas it is true, I must truly live in a bubble. Where are you from Tropple? You must not be exposed to a good number of GLBT people. I happen to live in a very liberal city with a large population of GLBT people. I am interacting with these people every single day. Some are flamboyant artistic designers, etc. as you describe, some are professional white collar, some are construction workers, some are ditch diggers, some ride Harley's and would sooner knock you on your ass than look at you funny. My point is simple, if you were a bit more exposed to the culture you would know that they are not acting and that they are in fact being themselves.
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Originally Posted by tropple
A person should simply be. A person who acts out a stereotype to define themself is a truly sad individual. A person is a collection of traits and ideas, the least of which is who they sleep with. When someone uses a stereotype as their role model, they've lost the major portion of their being. It doesn't matter what that stereotype is. It makes that person little more a poser who is acting a role to move through life, not living life.
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The bottom line here is that you think it is ok to "be" anyone you want to "be" as long as you "be" someone like "me." That's sad. When you ask that the flambouant gay person be "normal" in public, you are asking them to "act" normal, just like you. You're key complaint is the key faw in your argument and it is based on your lack of understanding, some would say ignorance, on the subject.
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Originally Posted by tropple
Look at myself in the mirror? Sure. Beats the hell out of me what's reflected there. I enjoy woodworking and carpentry, electrical wiring, reading, writing books, websurfing, programming, 3d graphics, anime and cartoons (sailor moon, cowboy bebop, card captor sakura, Rugrats, Steel Angel Karumi), cutting the grass, baking, doo-wop and led zeppelin, 50's girl groups, I don't do anything with my hair, shaving is optional, I like the taste of listerine, I don't drink, I have scars and arthritis, I don't care much about clothes and am happy buying a dozen of the same shirt and slacks because I can't be bothered deciding what to wear, I drink diet coke, I dust fanatically, I scrub the drain board everyday, I wash the inside of my washer, I spend 15 minutes ironing every shirt and 12 minutes on every pair of paints, I think bush is a blithering idiot, I think kerry is still the same phony dickhead he was 30 years ago, I like fine hand-painted bone china teacups, I watch DeGrassi and reruns of Xena.
Beats me. I sure don't think I'm acting out anyone's stereotype. Maybe, but I don't think I've seen it anywhere. It may not be the best life, but it's what I have and I'm managing okay.
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Yes, I can steriotype you based on my own opinions. Are you acting it? I doubt it, we all think we are who we are and that we are simply being normal, but others will always judge us.
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