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Originally Posted by mirevolver
The citizens of the United States are simply that. Citizens of the United States, not citizens of Arizona, California, New York or any other state.
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Everyone is a citizen of the state in which they reside.
The rules defined by the Federal Gov't would not exist without the representatives of the States enacting them. There is only a Federal Gov't out of mutual agreement of the member states. There is only a U.N. out of mutual agreement of the member states.
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If you want to compare apples to apples, compare the UN to NATO or compare the US to the German Bundesrepublic. But don't compare the US to the UN.
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That's all well and good. But since the claim is that the U.N. is ineffective because it is not perfect, the comparison of the U.S. to the U.N. is apt.
Both are democratic environments. That is the comparison - not the minutia of their differing methods of organization. The U.S. is nothing without its members, and the U.N. is nothing with its members.