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Originally Posted by irateplatypus
mr. mephisto,
much of the world has not seen improvement economically since the UN's inception. even for the part that has, it would be difficult to draw correlations to UN policies that enabled such growth.
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And you believe that without a trans-national body to co-ordinate nation-state interaction, things would just
happen?
It's easy to criticise the UN, or claim it should be abandoned, without suggesting a replacement.
The League of Nations, pet project of the US President Wilson for those of you who seem to believe the US is above all this kind of thing, was abandoned and look what happened...
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one of your posts listed a lot of regulatory roles of the UN. it's quite a stretch to say that w/o the UN those regulations (that have proven helpful) wouldn't have been made otherwise.
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Some of them were regulatory bodies; the ITU for example. Most of them are co-ordinating bodies, financial bodies (funds, banks, development agencies etc), and several of them are simply administrative or developmental.
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that's like saying no terrorists would have been arrested without john ashcroft as attorney general because without an attorney general... how could we prosecute terrorists?
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No it's not.
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simply stating that they have done their respective jobs make no critical observation about how well they're doing them or whether those decisions would have been made more effectively and cheaply by other means.
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First of all, I
repeatedly said the UN need reforming. For those of you who have not actually read or understood my posts let me repeat myself.
The UN is not perfect.
The UN needs reforming.
The UN, like all bureaucracies, could be streamlined.
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bottomline: i'm know the UN has done some good things. however, it has been given an enourmous amount of resources and i judge that the world has received very little return for the investment.
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That's
your bottom line. Thankfully the world disagrees. You may not support the UN, but even the Bush Administration agrees that the UN is required.
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in some areas (emergency humanitarian aid, third world assistance, economy of resources, fiscal transparency) failures are clearly observable.
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As is the case with the United States. Why don't you call for its disbandment?
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in their successes there is reason to believe similar achievements could be made other means. it's difficult to prove that the UN is worthwhile on it's own record while there is no other metric by which we can gauge its success.
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Such as what? I keep hearing "something else could do what the UN does", or "it needs to be replaced", or "it's an evil organization" (lol).
So, let me ask, AGAIN, with what would you replace it?
Mr Mephisto