Thread: Moral Victory
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Old 11-08-2004, 12:03 AM   #63 (permalink)
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My main point in beginning this thread was to state that the majority spoke out and won. This isn't just Bush or the "government" stopping rights. The government is made up of American citizens who voted on gay marriage bans this election and have voted on other issues in the past. And the majority, at whatever time it was, voted in presidents who were either for or against issues.
Its very easy when you are in the majority to say, "Well, majority rules so there..." The problem is that when you start telling people what they can and can't do, your country begins to drift further and further to the extreme end of the spectrum. In your case, this would mean a drift towards facism. And we all know how that worked out in the past. Today gays can't marry, what'll it be like tommarrow? Will we be feeding them to the lions? The following passage is something you need to think about. Writen by a fellow living in Nazi Germany in 1945.


"First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me."

by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945


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I was making a point that most laws are based on morals but not saying gay marriages are equall to rape or theft.
Actually, most laws come from the classical liberal ideology (read: the term 'liberal' is used here in its correct form, meaning in the center of the political spectrum. NOT left, or socialist, or communist, as most Americans, for some reason, insist on using it), which follows the idea that your rights end as soon as my rights begin. And this is the problem. If you want to advocate that murder, theft, rape, blackmail, tax evasion, etc. should be against the law, so be it. I'll even accept the pro-life policy, in that it is based on (a flawed opinion, IMO) protecting a "person's" life from someone else's. That is your right. I'll even say that you can scream at the top of your lungs that gay marriage is wrong, and that no one should do it. But never will I support you, or anyone, in the attempt to limit or infringe upon the rights of others, especially when they are not at all doing anything that might affect you.


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