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Originally Posted by mused76
Nobody is limiting freedom in the bedroom but they are attempting to stop marriage between the same sex. Same sex marriages, in my *opinion*, are not justified and only show self-love due to the fact that gay marriages are based on falling in love for the same sex - the same being whether it male or female.
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Same sex marriages don't *have* to be justified. That's the whole point of the utilitarian principle (which is what our whole philosophy of law is based on). There has to be justification to deny freedoms (i.e. harm to others), not to allow them.
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Originally Posted by mused76
Marriage is sacred and meant to be between a male and a female in my opinion and in the Catholic church's opinion. The purpose of marriage: love and pro-create. This is all besides the point.
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As you readily admit, that is an opinion that is based solely on religious considerations, and therefore has no place dictating public policy. We have this little thing called "separation of church and state" in this country, no matter how much the religious right wants to deny it.
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Originally Posted by mused76
My main point in beginning this thread was to state that the majority spoke out and won. This isn't just Bush or the "government" stopping rights. The government is made up of American citizens who voted on gay marriage bans this election and have voted on other issues in the past. And the majority, at whatever time it was, voted in presidents who were either for or against issues.
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So what? Rights and freedoms are not something that are subject to public opinion. Do you think that if the majority of people in this country thought it would be a good idea to reinstitute slavery, that it would be right to do so? That is certainly an extreme example, but a valid one nonetheless. Rights are guaranteed, and should not be able to be voted out of existence.
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Originally Posted by mused76
The minority does have rights. They have rights to protest, to leave the country, to get petitions, to lead marches to the state capitals, etc. They don't have these rights in many countries or just recently received them in areas such as Iraq. The minority has rights so please do not say they don't. Whether or not the majority agrees is another thing.
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The fact is that the majority is denying rights to the minority. That simply is not acceptable, regardless of how the majority feels about it.