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Old 11-06-2004, 08:00 PM   #37 (permalink)
Justsomeguy
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Originally Posted by filtherton
I appreciate the effort, but none of those arguments are too convincing.

1. Allowing gays to marry isn't going to change the number of homosexuals, it might increase the number who come out of the closet. Many of them do reproduce. Gay dads aren't that rare. Despite this, let's assume that no homosexual has ever had a child. Well, they've been around as long as heterosexuals, how can it be explained that the human population is still increasing at an unsustainable rate? It can't. Even if everyone became gay, we'd still have the choice to have children or not.
I don't think I made point one as clear as I had wished it to be. I wasn't commenting on gay marriage directly, I was just commenting on being gay. As far as the future of humans is concerned at this moment, gay people could not reproduce by themselves. So, it's not favorable for the future of humanity. This is simply referring to gay behavior(being gay). So, gay marriage would either have to promote it or be against being gay. It promotes it. So, I was intending an if A=B and B=C, then A=C argument.

4. Okay, to clarify, understand that we have many opportunities to have offspring with our technology. I guess you could say we beat evolution in many ways. But do realize that sperm bank systems are not the best source of producing children.

What I mean is that the main argument for gay marriage is that gay people should have equal opportunity for marriage. They should be able to marry whoever the please. Well, their marriage wouldn't be the same though. Heterosexual people can naturally have children. Homosexuals cannot. So, their marriage would not posses the equal potential or opportunity(i.e. no potential for naturally conceiving a child).

5. I meant it is important to convince a larger percentage of people to accept gay marriage. You need to make the people really believe in it. If you toss it into existence with alot of bitter people, it will be met with bitter results.

It's really to look at any argument with an abstract outlook, however. Just wanted to add that if we look at logical arguments and think, "Really, they fail to recognize what the 'real' situation is," then there really is not a point in supporting/opposing a belief.
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