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Old 11-06-2004, 07:36 PM   #121 (permalink)
sob
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Originally Posted by smooth
I guess one could take what I said to mean that if I chose to drive on either side of the road, it wouldn't detract from my identity as an american.

Presumably, if one were to drive on either side of a road, provided one didn't harm someone else, that would fit perfectly with what I consider to be an american act.

Of course, I'm just indulging you. you made a series of logical errors to construct that analogy.
Sorry, you're just flat-out wrong. It's not my fault if you don't understand the concept of "Reductio ad absurdum."

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Originally Posted by smooth
maybe I should make this more clear for you, since you seem to be unable to comprehend the difference or are uneducated on this topic:
The above would be argumentum ad hominem, another logical fallacy commonly employed when the writer has been proven wrong.

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Originally Posted by smooth
my identity as a US citizen and any special rights afforded to me as a consequence of that status are not derived from my actions, thought, or desires. They are a consequence of my birthright. This, of course, does not apply to immigrants, who can have their citizenship stripped.

therefore, my actions, thoughts, or desires can not determine or change my status as a citizen. and in so far as this nation is constituted of its citizenry, not any other entity, their is no abstract entity that can operate externally of those citizens to lay greater claim to what is 'American.'
The above would be a "straw man" argument, another logical fallacy.

Game, set, and match.

But thanks for playing!
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