Originally Posted by Manx

I think the issue here is a confusion, primarily on the part of the conservative, over what is a liberal "ideal".

Evolution is not a liberal concept.
Non-discrimination to minorities is not a liberal concept.
Seperation of church and state is not a liberal concept.
A woman's right to control her body is not a liberal concept.

But these are some of the many things that liberals fight for when they are legislated out of existence.