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Originally Posted by Justsomeguy
Sorry to derail this post even further. However, to go along with the gay marriage/union issue it is very obvious that a large percentage of people disagree with gay marriage. That is the fact. Both sides being argued in real life and in this thread seems very weak.
First, on cultural tradition. The majority are still in agreement with the cultural belief of marriage between a man and a woman in the United States. Why doesn't someone provide a practical argument countering this belief? Every argument that I have seen of the opposition simply makes fun of "bible thumpers" because their beliefs are "stupid". Personally, I feel that even suggesting that those against gay marriage should eliminate such a strong belief as this one because it is "stupid" or because it is not entirely accurrate with the bible is a pretty piss poor argument.
It's not very hard to provide logical arguments on both sides (although in my experience this has actually come from those not in support of gay marriage). Or why not use emotion to convince them of how better things would be even? The fact is that alot of people are in opposition of gay marriage. Criticizing their beliefs WILL NOT win them over. However, changing their beliefs will. I thought that was pretty obvious, so why can others not see it?
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Because I thought the very nature of the conservative ideal is not to have one's beliefs change, to keep everything as it is. Liberals are always labeled as the radical thinkers, not conservatives.
I think the reason people bash those who oppose gay marriage is that from our side, people are people and everyone deserves the same rights. I'm not sure how you can argue that this is not a civil rights issue, as one sect of society is clearly not treated equally, and people are voting to take rights away from them. That isn't what America was supposed to be about, but unfortunately, that's what America has become.