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Originally Posted by Superbelt
Just because it's a landslide doesn't make it right. The returns on the issues against gays wasn't just to restrict gay marriage, it was to restrict any and all rights to gay couples. 8 new states now restrict all legal rights that a gay couple could have by being a couple. No civil unions, no visitation rights in the hospital, no common property with partner inheritance rights, no rights to children in the birth parent dies.
BTW, Marriage, for straight people isn't in the constitution either.
And that argument "think gay marriage is some sort of right, tell me where you think it is in the constitution" was used to keep interracial couples from legally marrying until the late 1960's as well.
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I guess we are talking about different things when we talk about rights. I think of rights as those guaranteed by the consitution or given by legislation or made law by ballot initiative. If something isn't in the constititution and is defeated at the ballot box, you haven't lost a right just because the proper order of this government decides not to confer it upon you.
The right to marry who you want isn't in the constitution and, if defeated through an appropriate election, isn't your right. You are correct that this argument was often made to allow a state to ban interracial couples from marrying. Here's the thing. The argument was correct, the state policy was wrong. The court was wrong to change the state law. The state should have done it.
States and congress make dumb laws all the time. That doesn't change what the constitution does and doesn't say.
I don't assume that anyone here is an anti-gun nut. My experience is that most people who have broad views of the right to marry, have sex, use contraception, and other privacy issues take a very expansive view of the appropriate constuction of the constitution on those issues, but often take a very restrictive view of the right to bear arms.
I still don't know where the right to gay marriage is found in the constitution.
If it is a right and the constitution says so, what is the argument for why polygamy and marriage between cousins is not a right?