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Originally Posted by sixate
Unions are evil!!!!!! I hate my union more than anything. All my union does is protect all the lazy fucks who do nothing except sleep at work. And since I'm not a lazy fucking pile of shit all my union does is steal $45 a month from me. My union drives up an employees wage while decreasing the amount of work we have to do. Now, anyone with more than three braincells can tell that's bad for business. Fuck man, it's no wonder jobs are leaving America. It's fucking useless unions making difficult for business owners to make $$. It's just easier to close shop and reopen in another country... That's how bad unions have made it, and I don't blame owners of companies for doing it. It would be one thing if the union drove up wages and made sure the employee did more work, but it doesn't work like that. Less work for more money is just bad business. It isn't Bush that drives companies out of the US. It's the fucking lazy ass workforce who expect to do nothing for their paychecks that makes it make sense for a company to relocate. It's that fucking simple. And because my useless union supports Kerry.... I'll be voting for Bush baby!
And I don't want to hear some dumb shit like: Well if you hate your job/union so bad get another job.
I make enough money that it makes sense for me to stay where I'm at, but I'm gonna be relocating to the Cleveland are after the first of the year, and I'll get another job then. BTW, there's no way in hell I'll ever work another union job in my life.
My girlfriend, who is a school teacher, hates unions just as much as me. She also agrees that unions are ruining schools, but she loves what she does so she deals with it.
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My viewpoints pertain to the Canadian/American marketplace only.
I agree largely with what Sixate has said. Unions had their uses, and in some places they still do - but the pendulum has swung from one extreme to another. Unions are allowing ridiculous practices and lazy workforces to thrive at the cost of the company. And for a smaller company this can be death.
As an example. I sell industrial machinery to manufacturing companies - when the equipment is delivered I will go in and train the people how to use the equipment and maybe do some tweaks on the equipment to work flawlessly in the factory - usually it takes me 2 - 3 hours to do this in a normal business (non-union).
However, the times that I have had to go to a union facility I am not allowed to lay a finger on my own equipment, I cannot open a control panel door to push a button inside (I need an electrician to lockout the control panel, a member of a safety committe to observe, and another controls electrician to push the button), If I need to tighten a screw, or align a spray nozzle I need again an electrician to lockout the machine, again the safety comitte rep to observe and a freaking millright to turn a nozzle by 5 degrees that I can do with my bare hands in 3 seconds. Don't get me started on what I'd need to tension a motor drive chain or something (all done with a simple wrench!)
These various people who I need are never available at the same time, they will be summoned by the manager in the cell I am working and it could take them and hour or two to show up - then they have to take their breaks etc.
I've had a 2 to 3 hour job take 2 to 3 days in a union shop do to these stupid inefficiencies.
I think in some situations Unions can be beneficial when implemented properly. But at least in the automotive industry I think they are a massive waste and should either be culled, or massively restructured to work WITH the employer to achieve a win/win situation.