Originally Posted by mandal

no it's more along the lines of.........

if God knows when he creates a person that the person will do certain things such as, kill people, deny him, be homosexual, molest children, and basically everything bad one can think of, why does he still create them? Since God controls essentially how a person thinks and their environment, or at least knows what each will be and the effect of it, isn't it essentially his chioce to create homosexuals and such? I mean if he creates me, knowing that in the environment he puts me in and the level of mental capactiy I contain that I will not believe in him, then isn't that his fault?

i mean, I guess it's pretty much the same as why God creates an evil world, but people always argue that God gives you free will and that it's your choice that you will do those things. But I argue doesn't God already know the moment he creates me that I will make those bad choices and such?

I had an discussion with one of my muslim friends who is REALLY religious. Full out religious, and when I asked him these things he was stumped. In the end i made something up like, " O i guess we still have free choice that God doesn't control" and left because i didn't want to destroy his beliefs.