View Single Post
Old 10-25-2004, 04:06 PM   #31 (permalink)
cthulu23
Banned
 
cthulu23's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SirSeymour
I did not say anything about objectivity. Granted, the definition I quoted from Meriam Webster did. Maybe this one will work better for everyone:

From Wikipedia:
A broad category of cinematic expression, traditionally the only characteristic common to all documentary films is that they are meant to be factual.
And that is just the first line. My point is that Moore used partial facts at times and completely ignored other facts when it suited his purpose. That is NOT in line with the idea of a documentary. I have no problem with doing a documentary to support your side of an argument but I do have an issue with crossing the line to propaganda.

Of course, the fact that my link uses Fahrenheit 9/11 as an example of a modern documentary opposes my view but I just can't see my way clear to equate the quoted line above with the work Moore did. He ment to be factual but only with facts he liked. To me, that is not documentary.
Who says documentaries have to be fair?

Also from Wikipedia:
Quote:
The propagandist tradition consisted of films made with the explicit purpose of persuading an audience of a point. One of the most notorious propaganda films is Leni Riefenstahl's film Triumph of the Will. Why We Fight was explicitly contracted as a propaganda newsreel series in response to this, covering different aspects of World War II, and had the daunting task of persuading the United States public to go to war.
Is Triumph of the Will fair? Does it present all the facts?

The very same wikipedia article names Farenheit 9/11 as a documentary. Here's what Ebert had to say about it:

Quote:
Most documentaries, especially the best ones, have an opinion and argue for it. Even those that pretend to be objective reflect the filmmaker's point of view. Moviegoers should observe the bias, take it into account and decide if the film supports it or not.

Michael Moore is a liberal activist. He is the first to say so. He is alarmed by the prospect of a second term for George W. Bush, and made "Fahrenheit 9/11" for the purpose of persuading people to vote against him.

That is all perfectly clear, and yet in the days before the film opens June 25, there'll be bountiful reports by commentators who are shocked! shocked! that Moore's film is partisan. "He doesn't tell both sides," we'll hear, especially on Fox News, which is so famous for telling both sides.
Note to everyone out there: if you're sick of rereading this same argument, imagine how sick I am of making it. I just want the word "documentary" depoliticised.

Last edited by cthulu23; 10-25-2004 at 04:35 PM..
cthulu23 is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360