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pan6467 · 10-24-2004, 05:33 PM

Both Ruby Ridge and Waco were "legal" was the gov't right in what they did? Well, those 2 groups both hoarded illegal weapons, both had made threats against the government, and both had been warned, had had the option for peaceful surrender and were developing terrorists and plotting terroristic activities. Both were situations of damned if you do damned if you don't.... if they hadn't done something and Koresh or those groups had done something first, people would have asked "why didn't they do anything?". When they did do something people said, "look what CLinton and Reno are doing."

It was George the I that started Waco. He knew what was happening and allowed it to get to the point it had. (He was probably scared of it being in his home state.) He was even advised by the ATF and FBI to watch them and do something.

As for what the CIA has been doing, these articles like the one above are just WHAT WE KNOW. I'm sure there are a lot of illegal activities we don't know about.

I just don't understand how people can cry foul and carry on about how these terrorists are fighting when we are doing things just as evil. Don't cry or get pissy over a beheading when you sit there and say in the next breath "Abu Gahraib and what we are doing to these people is just the evils of war. It's hypocritical and shows ignorance and self righteous holier than thou bullshit.

It's either "all evil and both sides are wrong" or it's "all just part of war and we need to move on and accept it on both sides". There is no in between, no one side is better one side is worse. War is war people die, shit happens war crimes are committed on both sides.

But should those who commit war crimes be punished? Absolutely and to the maximum extent of the law. Just because it happens does not mean those responsible should not be punished.

10-24-2004, 05:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	Both Ruby Ridge and Waco were "legal" was the gov't right in what they did? Well, those 2 groups both hoarded illegal weapons, both had made threats against the government, and both had been warned, had had the option for peaceful surrender and were developing terrorists and plotting terroristic activities. Both were situations of damned if you do damned if you don't.... if they hadn't done something and Koresh or those groups had done something first, people would have asked "why didn't they do anything?". When they did do something people said, "look what CLinton and Reno are doing." It was George the I that started Waco. He knew what was happening and allowed it to get to the point it had. (He was probably scared of it being in his home state.) He was even advised by the ATF and FBI to watch them and do something. As for what the CIA has been doing, these articles like the one above are just WHAT WE KNOW. I'm sure there are a lot of illegal activities we don't know about. I just don't understand how people can cry foul and carry on about how these terrorists are fighting when we are doing things just as evil. Don't cry or get pissy over a beheading when you sit there and say in the next breath "Abu Gahraib and what we are doing to these people is just the evils of war. It's hypocritical and shows ignorance and self righteous holier than thou bullshit. It's either "all evil and both sides are wrong" or it's "all just part of war and we need to move on and accept it on both sides". There is no in between, no one side is better one side is worse. War is war people die, shit happens war crimes are committed on both sides. But should those who commit war crimes be punished? Absolutely and to the maximum extent of the law. Just because it happens does not mean those responsible should not be punished. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"