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Originally Posted by docbungle
Well, this is what scares me.
The left and the right are so concerned with what side they're on, and so intent on defending themselves, that they've lost all real focus on what really matters to humanity, to us. All that matters is that they win, and the other side loses.
That's what is most important.
Why are so many people willing to fall under the label "Democrat" or "Republican" and accept the values of that party as their own? This, in and of itself - this buying into a ideology that by it's very nature divides - plants the seeds of anger, hate and oppressiveness that are, as we speak, growing and growing and growing all accross the country.
No one ever concedes. The other side is always wrong, even when they're not. Nothing can be proven to be true or false. Not in the context that everyone from both sides will agree that it is true or false.
It's a fucking commercial. And what really, I mean really scares me, is that I don't see a realistic chance that an independent nominee, one that is not owned by a conglomerate, will ever see the light of day as a serious contender for the presidency.
I see the Democrats and the Republicans the same way many of you see organized religion: full of itself and trying to convert the masses, in this country and abroad. And people just lapping it up.
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thats why I prefer to use terms like Liberal or Conservative- +- moderate where appropriate
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I would label President Clinton as a Moderate Liberal
To me atleast, it gives a picture of beliefs rather than party affiliation. Some say ohh he tosses the L word, or using labels, but both sides do it ( Right wing ideolouge).
There are some Democrates that are conservatives and Some Republicans that are liberal- and some independents ( *cough marry berry*) who clearly arent such, so truely stating just party affiliation means little to me.
Then you get into what constitues a liberal, or a conservative, I would say Bush is a prime example of a conservative, while Ted Kennedy is a prime example of a Liberal. Mr.Kerry- Id call him confused.
But yes I get your point- that was why I tried a hand at making a thread talking about ISSUES not parties. Solutions not canidates. It worked moderatly well IMHO- but we only discussed Importation of Drugs from Canada ( or lack thereof). I'll try again - This time we'll do ohh say Social Security. See ya there