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Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto
I never said it wasn't a religious conflict. I disputed your assertion that they are trying to impose their religious beliefs on others as the implied primary reason for the conflict. I put it to you that they are not seeking converts, but are simply engaging in genocide and ethnic cleansing, and that they are using religious differences as an excuse.
Do you honestly believe that if the hundreds of thousand of displaced persons had
a) all been given the chance to convert
and
b) had done so
...that the janjaweed would have simply packed their bags and ridden off?
No, I don't think they would. The killing would have continued.
The facts remain that the conflict is within one sovereign nation. No other nation was invaded. Again, I only pointed out the contradiction in your original statement. Whether you feel yourself entitled to speak for all the hundreds of thousands of people affected has no relevance. This is a "domestic affair" (unpleasant as that phrase is), up and until the affect it is having on neighbouring countries due to the refugee crisis.
No "invasions" occurred.
Touchy, touchy. First of all I didn't curse at you, so I ask the same respect from you. Perhaps in vain, but that won't stop me asking.
Secondly, I never said I had an open mind (though I like to think I do - certainly I don't curse at strangers on the internet). The comment was made because you simply said, and I quote, "[What The Fuck] is there in Sudan?" and "its a vast wasteland ( from the pictures ive seen) its a third world country. No infastructure.".
In other words, open your mind to the fact that the lack of infrastructure has nothing to do with the value people place upon living there. And that, "the pictures you see" of it may not show the entire area in question. I've seen pictures of the terrible refugee camps in Darfur, but also the very fertile and quite picturesque areas from which many of the people were displaced. The point is, a few pictures on TV or in magazines don't tell the whole story.
That's what I meant by opening your mind.
Let me quote you again. " its a vast wasteland ( from the pictures ive seen) its a third world country. No infastructure.".
It doesn't sound like you're referring to the region at all. Indeed, you specifically say "its [sic] a third world country."
Yes. Perhaps warzone would have been more appropriate.
Mr Mephisto
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When the Preisdent of Sudan says its a Jihad- maybe it is ....
"Finally, you said it was an attempt by militant muslims to impose their beliefs on others, when it is not. It's ethnic cleansing and genocide, plain and simple."
Ohh okay Jihad isnt trying to convert others... backing milita men who kill and rape in the name of Allah, or say convert or die... yeah that isnt imposing their beliefs on thers.
Its Ethnic cleansing and Genoice plain and simple... yet it IS an attempt by militant muslims to impose thier beliefs on others, the president of that country has said so- the FACTS indicate that it is. It might ALSO be a genocide- but IT IS A JIHAD - HOLY WAR- IMPOSING MUSLIM BELIEFS ON OTHERS.
Second off you said
" Every country gets to head the Security Council at some stage. From the United States all the way down to Lichtenstein. Imagine that! An organization that trys to be inclusive and offer all nations the opportunity to be part of decision making and direction.Again, sometimes this is not perfect, but it's a lot better than one nation going around stomping on everyone."
I didnt say why is Sudan on the Security Council, i said why are they the head of the human rights body- so you skirted the issue.
http://www.derechos.org/news/archives/000661.html
WASTELAND
Main Entry: waste·land
Pronunciation: 'wAst-"land also -l&nd
Function: noun
1 : barren or uncultivated land <a desert wasteland>
2 : an ugly often devastated or barely inhabitable place or area
Barren land- hmm that it is.
Devistated and barely inhabitable place or area- Well gee the center of a civil war- that fits the bill clearly- Even If i was not refering to THAT region the whole country has been up in civil war in recent years
Main Entry: in·vade
Pronunciation: in-'vAd
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): in·vad·ed; in·vad·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin invadere, from in- + vadere to go -- more at WADE
1 : to enter for conquest or plunder
2 : to encroach upon : INFRINGE
3 a : to spread over or into as if invading : PERMEATE
Hmm arent the janjaweed CONQUESTING OR PLUNDERING THE REGION OF DAFUR?????? They did Enter the region...)
Point is your nitpicking to avoid the real issue- militant muslims are *GASP* causing problems again!